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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 892619" data-attributes="member: 2189">Although I&#039;m not a fan of the public education model we have, I&#039;m not a fan of a blanket blame of the teachers either.&nbsp; Instead of blaming teachers, look at how education declined when control of education shifted from local to national.&nbsp; Ironic that so many other aspects of life have also declined when control shifted from local to national but that&#039;s another thread.&nbsp; Teachers and parents don&#039;t work together because in some sense they can&#039;t.&nbsp; Teachers and parents have to accept a topdown system that&#039;s a one size fits all but children are individuals and the best way to teach them can be as many as the number that sit in a classroom.I found the comment of criticizing public education is criticizing the constitutional framers a bit much.&nbsp; The framers one could argue, especially Jefferson, were great advocates of &quot;education&quot; but public education in the structure we know it did not exist in the framers day.&nbsp; Public education which is built on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system" target="_blank">Prussian Education</a> model didn&#039;t come about until the 19th century in a broad use sense to influence American thinkers.&nbsp; The Prussian model was intent on building a compliant citizenry and not necessarily an well educated one.&nbsp; Many of our founding fathers if not most were educated by what is called the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium_%28education%29" target="_blank">Trivium model</a> of education but this method produces a &quot;thinking&quot; citizenry and not a goal of a compliant citizenry.&nbsp; It was the Trivium teaching model that was the seedbed of the enlightenment thinkers that produced some of our greatest advancements and laid the seedbed that would become the ideal of &quot;right to life, liberty and property (pursuit of happiness)&quot; that became the what we are today or at least what we once were.&nbsp; It challenged the divine right of kings and not enforce it.&nbsp; Ironic that it&#039;s the nationalist topdown hierarchy that has corrupted our American educational system and if one were to drill down into some aspects of the OWS movement, it&#039;s about challenging and opposing topdown hierarchy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 892619, member: 2189"] Although I'm not a fan of the public education model we have, I'm not a fan of a blanket blame of the teachers either. Instead of blaming teachers, look at how education declined when control of education shifted from local to national. Ironic that so many other aspects of life have also declined when control shifted from local to national but that's another thread. Teachers and parents don't work together because in some sense they can't. Teachers and parents have to accept a topdown system that's a one size fits all but children are individuals and the best way to teach them can be as many as the number that sit in a classroom. I found the comment of criticizing public education is criticizing the constitutional framers a bit much. The framers one could argue, especially Jefferson, were great advocates of "education" but public education in the structure we know it did not exist in the framers day. Public education which is built on the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system"][COLOR=#ff0000]Prussian Education[/COLOR][/URL] model didn't come about until the 19th century in a broad use sense to influence American thinkers. The Prussian model was intent on building a compliant citizenry and not necessarily an well educated one. Many of our founding fathers if not most were educated by what is called the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium_%28education%29"][COLOR=#ff0000]Trivium model[/COLOR][/URL] of education but this method produces a "thinking" citizenry and not a goal of a compliant citizenry. It was the Trivium teaching model that was the seedbed of the enlightenment thinkers that produced some of our greatest advancements and laid the seedbed that would become the ideal of "right to life, liberty and property (pursuit of happiness)" that became the what we are today or at least what we once were. It challenged the divine right of kings and not enforce it. Ironic that it's the nationalist topdown hierarchy that has corrupted our American educational system and if one were to drill down into some aspects of the OWS movement, it's about challenging and opposing topdown hierarchy. [/QUOTE]

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