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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 6044290" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>And yet they didn't prevent infection or transmission like they were touted to do early on.  Well known now.  And the CDC's VER's website has many thousands of adverse effects listed including deaths.  If one wants to take the vaccine fine.  I took the Johnson and Johnson version because it's a traditional type vaccine as opposed to the new technology mRNA vaccines that were rushed through without the normal trials.  I just think it's ludicrous to take away people's livelihoods if they don't comply.  L.A.'s Fire Chief says they are way short on manpower.  How come those firefighters weren't hired back after the pandemic ran its course?  You don't want unvaccinated people interacting with the public during the pandemic is one thing.  Refusing to hire them back afterwards is just vengeful and petty.</p></blockquote><p></p>