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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1027002" data-attributes="member: 2189">This is OT but I see this kool-aid tag thrown around by several folks here and when I see it I think of a room of monkeys just throwing their own <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2&nbsp; &nbsp; :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" /> to see it stick to the wall.&nbsp; This is another reason I jettisoned the conservative tag long ago because many, many years ago, conservatives the likes of Russell Kirk or to a lesser degree in William Buckley brought a intellectual discourse to arguing the conservative cause and using the fallacies of ridicule, strawmen, red herrings and even bandwagon were not a means by which they operate.&nbsp; What is left of that tradition is found at times in the likes of a Bill Kauffman over at The American Conservative or at times at Front Porch Republic.&nbsp; He is unswerving in his paleo-conservative traditions and yet so respected a voice that even the liberal/progressive Truthdig and Counterpunch are known to republish his offerings.Some of you who call yourselves &quot;conservative&quot; would do well to read the roots of your ideology from the likes of the great Garet Garrett to the impressive Russell Kirk and if you did, instead of talking about kool-aid all the time, your thoughts and ideas would become vastly more thoughtful, deeper and yes even far more persuasive.&nbsp; Historical American conservative thought and tradition have a place at the table of ideas and they are very powerful and persuasive arguments but in a world dominated today by so-called conservative thinkers who regurgitate mindless soundbites and perfecting examples of logical fallacies, it&#039;s no wonder no one is listening anymore.jmo</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1027002, member: 2189"] This is OT but I see this kool-aid tag thrown around by several folks here and when I see it I think of a room of monkeys just throwing their own :censored: to see it stick to the wall. This is another reason I jettisoned the conservative tag long ago because many, many years ago, conservatives the likes of Russell Kirk or to a lesser degree in William Buckley brought a intellectual discourse to arguing the conservative cause and using the fallacies of ridicule, strawmen, red herrings and even bandwagon were not a means by which they operate. What is left of that tradition is found at times in the likes of a Bill Kauffman over at The American Conservative or at times at Front Porch Republic. He is unswerving in his paleo-conservative traditions and yet so respected a voice that even the liberal/progressive Truthdig and Counterpunch are known to republish his offerings. Some of you who call yourselves "conservative" would do well to read the roots of your ideology from the likes of the great Garet Garrett to the impressive Russell Kirk and if you did, instead of talking about kool-aid all the time, your thoughts and ideas would become vastly more thoughtful, deeper and yes even far more persuasive. Historical American conservative thought and tradition have a place at the table of ideas and they are very powerful and persuasive arguments but in a world dominated today by so-called conservative thinkers who regurgitate mindless soundbites and perfecting examples of logical fallacies, it's no wonder no one is listening anymore. jmo [/QUOTE]

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