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<blockquote data-quote="dmac1" data-source="post: 5029378" data-attributes="member: 60252">Very very few on the left, who are not more than 1% of democrats are in favor of government ownership of business and only the uneducated MAGA crowd would make that mistake. Many countries considered as socialist by the wacked out right are fully democratically run with free and public elections.&nbsp;The constitution DOES NOT side with either free capitalism or total socialism, in fact, it says that the constitution is being put in place to PROMOTE the GENERL WELFARE of the people. That allows for all manner of &#039;social&#039; benefits for the people. ONLY the right is calling it socialism when the poor get help in buying food, while ignoring that they are benefitting from public expenditures on roads. And even those who detest SNAP, MUST admit, if being honest, that not having starving children with distended stomachs from malnutrition, as was common into the 1960s, is good for them as well.. If ownership of business is the definition of socialism you are going to use, SNAP, welfare, SSI, Medicare, etc are not socialism because they confer no ownership for the government. However, if ownership is what you are going to use, then roads, sewers systems, naval ships, public libraries, etc ARE socialist because they do have the government owning those . You need to decide which definition you are going to use if you want to say the public roads are not socialist in nature. You can&#039;t have it both ways.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dmac1, post: 5029378, member: 60252"] Very very few on the left, who are not more than 1% of democrats are in favor of government ownership of business and only the uneducated MAGA crowd would make that mistake. Many countries considered as socialist by the wacked out right are fully democratically run with free and public elections. The constitution DOES NOT side with either free capitalism or total socialism, in fact, it says that the constitution is being put in place to PROMOTE the GENERL WELFARE of the people. That allows for all manner of 'social' benefits for the people. ONLY the right is calling it socialism when the poor get help in buying food, while ignoring that they are benefitting from public expenditures on roads. And even those who detest SNAP, MUST admit, if being honest, that not having starving children with distended stomachs from malnutrition, as was common into the 1960s, is good for them as well.. If ownership of business is the definition of socialism you are going to use, SNAP, welfare, SSI, Medicare, etc are not socialism because they confer no ownership for the government. However, if ownership is what you are going to use, then roads, sewers systems, naval ships, public libraries, etc ARE socialist because they do have the government owning those . You need to decide which definition you are going to use if you want to say the public roads are not socialist in nature. You can't have it both ways. [/QUOTE]

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