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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1516267" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Everything you just said is nonsense.</p><p></p><p>First, you are completely wrong on bin laden. Without the USA , Bin Laden was nothing. His extensive training at CIA headquarters along with <strong>Ayman al-Zawahiri </strong>created the two most influential figures in the middle east. "Their" freedom fighters, as they were called, were all recruited with money that the USA provided. Those fighters didnt fight for free.</p><p></p><p>Second, we NEEDED the mujahideen to do "OUR" dirty work in a proxy war with Russia, as we were not about to do it ourselves. Hopefully, you understand that.</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, in WWII, it was only the REPUBLICANS in congress that wanted to stay out of WWII and it was FDR who told them to pound sand. The republicans tried desperately to keep out of WWII, and its no wonder, there were many connections to the nazi regime through family members... Aka: granddad Bush.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar" target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar</a></p><p></p><p>Financial ties to the german government would result in catastrophic financial losses for those doing business with the nazi government.</p><p></p><p>Fourthly, BUSH's war was nonsense from the jump, and NO plan was in place to fix anything. In fact, in 1994, Dick Cheney said this:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]YENbElb5-xY[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Everything Cheney said came true, the country is falling apart. </p><p></p><p>Lastly, it was the GENERALS who recommended taking our troops out of IRAQ, not Obama. Like its been explained a thousand times before on this board, but guys like you just refuse to listen, the USA and IRAQ could not agree on a status forces agreement that included IMMUNITY for our soldiers who were committing crimes and for that reason, we had to pull out of the country.</p><p></p><p>Something that is ignored in this country, the dozens and dozens of crimes against humanity by our troops in IRAQ from murder, to rape, to sodomy of children, to burgulary to robbery, there are hundreds and hundreds of court martials in the military for these crimes.</p><p></p><p>Leaving troops in the country would not have solved or prevented a single thing. The Installed government we put in were committing attrocities against the Sunni people and like Cheney said, on part after another would simply fall into chaos.</p><p></p><p>"mission accomplished" circa 1994.</p><p></p><p>For you to believe anything otherwise shows how little you understand about the middle east, Iraq or history.</p><p></p><p>TOS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1516267, member: 17969"] Everything you just said is nonsense. First, you are completely wrong on bin laden. Without the USA , Bin Laden was nothing. His extensive training at CIA headquarters along with [B]Ayman al-Zawahiri [/B]created the two most influential figures in the middle east. "Their" freedom fighters, as they were called, were all recruited with money that the USA provided. Those fighters didnt fight for free. Second, we NEEDED the mujahideen to do "OUR" dirty work in a proxy war with Russia, as we were not about to do it ourselves. Hopefully, you understand that. Thirdly, in WWII, it was only the REPUBLICANS in congress that wanted to stay out of WWII and it was FDR who told them to pound sand. The republicans tried desperately to keep out of WWII, and its no wonder, there were many connections to the nazi regime through family members... Aka: granddad Bush. [URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar[/URL] Financial ties to the german government would result in catastrophic financial losses for those doing business with the nazi government. Fourthly, BUSH's war was nonsense from the jump, and NO plan was in place to fix anything. In fact, in 1994, Dick Cheney said this: [MEDIA=youtube]YENbElb5-xY[/MEDIA] Everything Cheney said came true, the country is falling apart. Lastly, it was the GENERALS who recommended taking our troops out of IRAQ, not Obama. Like its been explained a thousand times before on this board, but guys like you just refuse to listen, the USA and IRAQ could not agree on a status forces agreement that included IMMUNITY for our soldiers who were committing crimes and for that reason, we had to pull out of the country. Something that is ignored in this country, the dozens and dozens of crimes against humanity by our troops in IRAQ from murder, to rape, to sodomy of children, to burgulary to robbery, there are hundreds and hundreds of court martials in the military for these crimes. Leaving troops in the country would not have solved or prevented a single thing. The Installed government we put in were committing attrocities against the Sunni people and like Cheney said, on part after another would simply fall into chaos. "mission accomplished" circa 1994. For you to believe anything otherwise shows how little you understand about the middle east, Iraq or history. TOS. [/QUOTE]
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