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<blockquote data-quote="av8torntn" data-source="post: 704537" data-attributes="member: 8259">I&#039;m not following you. Are you saying that you are not kicking and screaming about your loss of privacy in this health care bill because dimocrats voted for him but you were kicking and screaming about the government listening to the phone calls from terrorists because the terrorists did not vote for our government?&nbsp;Anyhow I know everyone is taking a position on the commerce clause now but I have a hard time seeing how health care even in a fantasy world could be interstate commerce. The states have to give you permission to dispense medicine, practice medicine, be a nurse, dietitian, give xrays, sell insurance and everything else that I can think of. I have not heard of a hospital built on a state line or even a doctor that travels across state lines to a patients home to provide medical care. What is actually happening is the government is creating a service(exchange) and will fine any member who does not use it. It is possible for people to not use health care so the argument that people will &quot;drain the system&quot; if they do not have insurance is also false. Time will tell but I think if the ant freedom crowd is counting on the interstate commerce clause for this entire law to stand they are being somewhat desperate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="av8torntn, post: 704537, member: 8259"] I'm not following you. Are you saying that you are not kicking and screaming about your loss of privacy in this health care bill because dimocrats voted for him but you were kicking and screaming about the government listening to the phone calls from terrorists because the terrorists did not vote for our government? Anyhow I know everyone is taking a position on the commerce clause now but I have a hard time seeing how health care even in a fantasy world could be interstate commerce. The states have to give you permission to dispense medicine, practice medicine, be a nurse, dietitian, give xrays, sell insurance and everything else that I can think of. I have not heard of a hospital built on a state line or even a doctor that travels across state lines to a patients home to provide medical care. What is actually happening is the government is creating a service(exchange) and will fine any member who does not use it. It is possible for people to not use health care so the argument that people will "drain the system" if they do not have insurance is also false. Time will tell but I think if the ant freedom crowd is counting on the interstate commerce clause for this entire law to stand they are being somewhat desperate. [/QUOTE]

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