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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 704776" data-attributes="member: 2189">I&#039;ll just say it&#039;s way past time we gave up the illusion and fantasy of Dominion!&nbsp;BTW: Maybe you and AV might find this <a href="http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f13/paying-freeloaders-vat-next-315642/index2.html#post704623" target="_blank">1 minute video</a> interesting in your ongoing debate on socialism. Also if you consider the etymology of the word social you will find a voluntary and an involuntary construct. Free market verses State or Heirarchy if you will. Considering this concept and what the young man in the vid rightly pointed out, those who claim even to oppose state socialism (the involuntary kind) are in fact themselves socialist, maybe on a more limited scale but socialist none the less. &nbsp;All life is social, the real question is, should it be tue free market or state. Dominion by the few over the many for the benefit of the few or the liberty of all to seek their own voluntary and mutual relationships? Do we actually own ourselves? This is at the heart of not only Obamacare, Romneycare or even Bushcare but all of it from war, to economics to all human interaction. Until we give up our desire to hold dominion over each other, nothing but failure and conflict will ultimately proceed out of any effort to better ourselves as a whole.&nbsp;jmo</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 704776, member: 2189"] I'll just say it's way past time we gave up the illusion and fantasy of Dominion! BTW: Maybe you and AV might find this [URL="http://www.browncafe.com/forum/f13/paying-freeloaders-vat-next-315642/index2.html#post704623"][COLOR=red]1 minute video[/COLOR][/URL] interesting in your ongoing debate on socialism. Also if you consider the etymology of the word social you will find a voluntary and an involuntary construct. Free market verses State or Heirarchy if you will. Considering this concept and what the young man in the vid rightly pointed out, those who claim even to oppose state socialism (the involuntary kind) are in fact themselves socialist, maybe on a more limited scale but socialist none the less. All life is social, the real question is, should it be tue free market or state. Dominion by the few over the many for the benefit of the few or the liberty of all to seek their own voluntary and mutual relationships? Do we actually own ourselves? This is at the heart of not only Obamacare, Romneycare or even Bushcare but all of it from war, to economics to all human interaction. Until we give up our desire to hold dominion over each other, nothing but failure and conflict will ultimately proceed out of any effort to better ourselves as a whole. jmo [/QUOTE]

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