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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 816006" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><strong>Re: Obamanomics</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>I completely agree. So often when it comes to welfare, so many only want to see one side of the equation to begin with. They never realize that the central planning models that shift wealth whether it be in the form of tax allocation redistribution, using debt creation to give money to corp interests or just outright writing law that protects certain industry players thus cartelizing if not outright monopolizing that market segment while at the same time acting as a entry barrier to new competition. If you take a locale and extract it's wealth out for the benefit of a large corp. distant player, what are the effects on that locale community? What happens to it's own business model and business creation? With wealth and capital being extracted out by force, how do they maintain sustainability? Who must they then go beg to in order to survive? Who is able to use it as a poster child for their own political gain? Oh and most important, did they fail as a result on their own actions and own doing?</p><p> </p><p>I blame both the left and the right for not thinking this thing out more and in effect this hollow thinking sustains the very political/economic order that creates the entire cycle to begin with. That capitalist socialism has been going on in this country a very long time and it's the reason wealth is more consolidated, the profits and shareprice on Wall Street go higher while mainstreet grows weaker and the gov't no matter which party controls it justs gets bigger.</p><p> </p><p>As to the Koch Bros. IMO they are just as much in the bed of capitalist socialism as Soros, it's nothing more than one noble battling another noble for land and more peasantry. Some liberals have been talking about the Koch Bros. and some of that analysis does have merit. Across some elements of the libertarian movement, the Koch Bros. are not seen in a good light either and David Gordon at Mises <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon86.1.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">discusses the long dispute</span> </a>between the Koch's and the late libertarian radical Murray Rothbard.</p><p> </p><p>The late libertarian radical Samuel Konkin term the word Kochtopus for the Koch's empire and IMO the word is of value.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/03/charles-koch-brothers-wisconsin-walker" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Koch's and crony capitalism</span></a></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://mises.org/daily/3164" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">We need to consider the father of crony capitalism</span></a></p><p> </p><p>And when it comes to Obama, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/the-corporatist-explanati_b_434286.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">at least some people get it!</span></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 816006, member: 2189"] [b]Re: Obamanomics[/b] I completely agree. So often when it comes to welfare, so many only want to see one side of the equation to begin with. They never realize that the central planning models that shift wealth whether it be in the form of tax allocation redistribution, using debt creation to give money to corp interests or just outright writing law that protects certain industry players thus cartelizing if not outright monopolizing that market segment while at the same time acting as a entry barrier to new competition. If you take a locale and extract it's wealth out for the benefit of a large corp. distant player, what are the effects on that locale community? What happens to it's own business model and business creation? With wealth and capital being extracted out by force, how do they maintain sustainability? Who must they then go beg to in order to survive? Who is able to use it as a poster child for their own political gain? Oh and most important, did they fail as a result on their own actions and own doing? I blame both the left and the right for not thinking this thing out more and in effect this hollow thinking sustains the very political/economic order that creates the entire cycle to begin with. That capitalist socialism has been going on in this country a very long time and it's the reason wealth is more consolidated, the profits and shareprice on Wall Street go higher while mainstreet grows weaker and the gov't no matter which party controls it justs gets bigger. As to the Koch Bros. IMO they are just as much in the bed of capitalist socialism as Soros, it's nothing more than one noble battling another noble for land and more peasantry. Some liberals have been talking about the Koch Bros. and some of that analysis does have merit. Across some elements of the libertarian movement, the Koch Bros. are not seen in a good light either and David Gordon at Mises [URL="http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon86.1.html"][COLOR=red]discusses the long dispute[/COLOR] [/URL]between the Koch's and the late libertarian radical Murray Rothbard. The late libertarian radical Samuel Konkin term the word Kochtopus for the Koch's empire and IMO the word is of value. [URL="http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/03/charles-koch-brothers-wisconsin-walker"][COLOR=red]Koch's and crony capitalism[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://mises.org/daily/3164"][COLOR=red]We need to consider the father of crony capitalism[/COLOR][/URL] And when it comes to Obama, [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anis-shivani/the-corporatist-explanati_b_434286.html"][COLOR=red]at least some people get it![/COLOR][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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