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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jones" data-source="post: 865087" data-attributes="member: 4805"><p>I've never seen a poll, either of historians or the general public, that ranked either Carter or Bush as the worst president. They do both generally get ranked in the bottom quartile. Anyone who tells you that either one of them was "The Worst" is really telling you that they don't know much about US history. The way Obama is going I suspect he will wind up in the same box, ie, not the worst but clearly below average. I think he's a decent enough fellow of above average intelligence who can write a pretty speech, but he's not much of a leader and just seems way out of his league in national level politics. The comparison to Hoover seems apt.</p></blockquote><p></p>