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<blockquote data-quote="island1fox" data-source="post: 934730" data-attributes="member: 4816"><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy2.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy2:" title="Happy2&nbsp; &nbsp; :happy2:" data-shortname=":happy2:" />Klein,On the topic of Government involvement I will stick with the U.S. and Obama&#039;s own words when he was off teleprompter and out selling it. When a woman asked about a specific treatment or operation concerning her Grandmother --Obama stated that there is a time when the right decision is to &quot;just give her an aspirin&quot;Do not fool yourself anywhere there is socialized medicine decisions are made directed by the government --you may say the doctor said so --but they know what will be and what will not be paid for.For hard working American&#039;s such as UPS people --mgmt or union--you have worked hard your entire lives and recieve a &quot;cadillac health care&quot; until you are 65.At 65 you go into the government plan with the illegals, non-workers,lazy, looters etc.With 500 million pulled out of Medicare and doc fix --which will reduce payment to Medicare doctors by over 30% ---seniors are in REAL danger.&nbsp; Doctors will refuse to work in Medicare and rationing will happen --call it what you want --but as you get older -you will wait longer.&nbsp; Obamacare and the sellout by AARP are disgraceful. AARP sold out Seniors because if you have the money --AARP will be selling very expesive health care plans to &quot;supplement&quot; Obamacare.&nbsp;If you cannot afford to buy the supplements --may God help you .</blockquote>

[QUOTE="island1fox, post: 934730, member: 4816"] :happy2:Klein, On the topic of Government involvement I will stick with the U.S. and Obama's own words when he was off teleprompter and out selling it. When a woman asked about a specific treatment or operation concerning her Grandmother --Obama stated that there is a time when the right decision is to "just give her an aspirin" Do not fool yourself anywhere there is socialized medicine decisions are made directed by the government --you may say the doctor said so --but they know what will be and what will not be paid for. For hard working American's such as UPS people --mgmt or union--you have worked hard your entire lives and recieve a "cadillac health care" until you are 65. At 65 you go into the government plan with the illegals, non-workers,lazy, looters etc. With 500 million pulled out of Medicare and doc fix --which will reduce payment to Medicare doctors by over 30% ---seniors are in REAL danger. Doctors will refuse to work in Medicare and rationing will happen --call it what you want --but as you get older -you will wait longer. Obamacare and the sellout by AARP are disgraceful. AARP sold out Seniors because if you have the money --AARP will be selling very expesive health care plans to "supplement" Obamacare. If you cannot afford to buy the supplements --may God help you . [/QUOTE]

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