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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4659203" data-attributes="member: 63706">It&#039;s not exactly honest to compare two different countries of widely varying factors in geography, culture, population density, weather patterns, and demographics, among others. I don&#039;t think it was being a crybaby to express discontent with locking down for two weeks, then being told it was only two weeks, and here we are months later and we&#039;re still in varying degrees of lock down. It&#039;s also not being a crybaby to point out that the harsher measures didn&#039;t do anything, and the current measures aren&#039;t doing anything. It&#039;s fair to point out that blaming the ineffectiveness of lock downs on people not behaving properly is just government officials deflecting from their own failed policies. I might also point out that federal money is granted to states that declare emergencies. My state has never reached numbers that constitute an emergency, but they keep reframing the stats to try and qualify to keep getting that federal money. Do other countries incentivize padding stats by paying out big bucks? Deaths are way down, hospitalizations were never the big deal they were supposed to be, statistically speaking. But when the stats don&#039;t scare enough people, the conversation is redirected to the emotional argument that one death is too many. If we actually took that position on everything government would screech to a halt, because everything Is too risky. You can&#039;t stop everything because that will kill people, and you can&#039;t allow anything because that will kill people. The perspective on this pandemic is way out of whack with reality. I&#039;m sorry that people died, but to say government action might have prevented deaths in this case is to deny all levels of reality.This idea that the left has that they know what&#039;s best for everyone is the real killer. There are plenty of elderly people, the ones who are at the greatest risk, who would rather risk their own lives than be held captive just because some leftist thinks it&#039;s what&#039;s best.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4659203, member: 63706"] It's not exactly honest to compare two different countries of widely varying factors in geography, culture, population density, weather patterns, and demographics, among others. I don't think it was being a crybaby to express discontent with locking down for two weeks, then being told it was only two weeks, and here we are months later and we're still in varying degrees of lock down. It's also not being a crybaby to point out that the harsher measures didn't do anything, and the current measures aren't doing anything. It's fair to point out that blaming the ineffectiveness of lock downs on people not behaving properly is just government officials deflecting from their own failed policies. I might also point out that federal money is granted to states that declare emergencies. My state has never reached numbers that constitute an emergency, but they keep reframing the stats to try and qualify to keep getting that federal money. Do other countries incentivize padding stats by paying out big bucks? Deaths are way down, hospitalizations were never the big deal they were supposed to be, statistically speaking. But when the stats don't scare enough people, the conversation is redirected to the emotional argument that one death is too many. If we actually took that position on everything government would screech to a halt, because [I]everything[/I] Is too risky. You can't stop everything because that will kill people, and you can't allow anything because that will kill people. The perspective on this pandemic is way out of whack with reality. I'm sorry that people died, but to say government action might have prevented deaths in this case is to deny all levels of reality. This idea that the left has that they know what's best for everyone is the real killer. There are plenty of elderly people, the ones who are at the greatest risk, who would rather risk their own lives than be held captive just because some leftist thinks it's what's best. [/QUOTE]

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