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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 3072413" data-attributes="member: 14596">About 4 months.Of course it did.&nbsp; That right there is Casey&#039;s best brilliance.&nbsp; He dragged his feet on providing a comprehensive counter proposal until he managed to get the company to pull out the &quot;last, best, final&quot;.&nbsp; Then he used that as a club to bludgeon the company to the membership and in PR.&nbsp; It really was a masterful stroke. He himself fully understood that a last, best and final is merely legal language in labor law (google it if you don&#039;t want to believe me) and companies have often given a last best and final but then continued to negotiate and alter their position.&nbsp; But he knew most of the rank and file, and most of America did not understand that and they would think the company was stone walling.&nbsp; I fully believe he had no interest in a resolution without a strike, but I have mad respect for the way he was able to play UPS management like a fine tuned fiddle.I can honestly say I have never in my life heard a car dealer say &quot;Last, best, and final&quot;.&nbsp; That would be weird.&nbsp; Were you negotiating with him for a job at the dealership?&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" data-shortname=":)" />Just kidding.&nbsp; Honestly the answer is sort of.&nbsp; Yes, when they say something similar, you get up and &#039;start&#039; to walk out.&nbsp; That is when they say &quot;wait, wait, hold on a sec&quot; and guess what?&nbsp; they move their position again.&nbsp; It is a negotiating tactic many use.&nbsp; As it was with UPS in &#039;97.&nbsp; You probably missed out on a good deal you could have gotten on a car when you actually walking out.&nbsp; As you missed out on 2 weeks of pay you could have had in 97 had the union stayed at the table and gotten the exact same deal they wound up getting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 3072413, member: 14596"] About 4 months. Of course it did. That right there is Casey's best brilliance. He dragged his feet on providing a comprehensive counter proposal until he managed to get the company to pull out the "last, best, final". Then he used that as a club to bludgeon the company to the membership and in PR. It really was a masterful stroke. He himself fully understood that a last, best and final is merely legal language in labor law (google it if you don't want to believe me) and companies have often given a last best and final but then continued to negotiate and alter their position. But he knew most of the rank and file, and most of America did not understand that and they would think the company was stone walling. I fully believe he had no interest in a resolution without a strike, but I have mad respect for the way he was able to play UPS management like a fine tuned fiddle. I can honestly say I have never in my life heard a car dealer say "Last, best, and final". That would be weird. Were you negotiating with him for a job at the dealership? :) Just kidding. Honestly the answer is sort of. Yes, when they say something similar, you get up and 'start' to walk out. That is when they say "wait, wait, hold on a sec" and guess what? they move their position again. It is a negotiating tactic many use. As it was with UPS in '97. You probably missed out on a good deal you could have gotten on a car when you actually walking out. As you missed out on 2 weeks of pay you could have had in 97 had the union stayed at the table and gotten the exact same deal they wound up getting. [/QUOTE]

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