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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 4952022" data-attributes="member: 56035">socialism exists, theres many companies which are collectively employee run and owned.no capitalism doesnt make people work for what they get because thats the point of capitalists hiring employees; employees produce more than they are paid and the capitalists profit off of them, hence they dont get what they worked for.its true capitalism lets you choose between being employee and employer, although theres all kinds of systemic barriers to being an employer.  however this choice does not make it a democratic system, as an employer if you are telling employees what to do then its more comparable to a choice of dictators.</blockquote>