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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1023367" data-attributes="member: 2189">The grammar of political terms is so twisted up it's always best before proceeding to discuss any issue driven by terms to first define those terms to specifics.  I find when you take these terms back into their etymology and begin a discussion on that basis, the whole discussion shifts dramatically. With most honest, sincere people, the common ground of agreement in a single moment explodes multi-fold and the discussion often turns towards all the areas of agreement rather than disagreement. IMO, this is the last thing the powers that be want at all!</blockquote>