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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 4907282" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Except that narrative is incorrect.&nbsp; Africans captured other Africans, brought them to ports where they sold them to slavers.&nbsp; Again you&#039;re missing the big picture.&nbsp; Slavery had been around a long time before the Americas were colonized.&nbsp; Wasn&#039;t just white men enslaving blacks.&nbsp; Long before there was a United States.&nbsp; There was a totally different mindset then.&nbsp; Not talking about the rightness of it.&nbsp; Talking about the reality of what happened.&nbsp; In Europe enslavement of whites had been abolished but indentured servitude was still common.&nbsp; And the reality is if machines capable of doing the work of many men hadn&#039;t been invented, if working the fields or breaking rocks or anything that required large numbers doing everything manually was still required, we&#039;d still have slavery today.&nbsp; The wealthy are going to have their cheap labor.&nbsp; Don&#039;t kid yourself about letting millions in from Latin America.&nbsp; They aren&#039;t here to establish average American lives.&nbsp; They&#039;re here to grunt work cheaply.&nbsp; Their educated kids will move on to better things and as the parents age they&#039;ll be replaced by more wage slave labor.&nbsp; Or new machines that&#039;ll replace most of them and many citizens too.&nbsp; Your sniping at average Americans today just shows your lack of understanding of the past and the present but you want to be seen as one of the good ones by virtue signaling.&nbsp; Condemning the Founding Fathers when you enjoy freedoms that they instituted when most of the world wasn&#039;t free and laid the foundation for a world where you can condemn the powers that be without being beaten or killed shows we have a lot more to do to educate our kids instead of the foolishness that&#039;s being taught now.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 4907282, member: 24302"] Except that narrative is incorrect. Africans captured other Africans, brought them to ports where they sold them to slavers. Again you're missing the big picture. Slavery had been around a long time before the Americas were colonized. Wasn't just white men enslaving blacks. Long before there was a United States. There was a totally different mindset then. Not talking about the rightness of it. Talking about the reality of what happened. In Europe enslavement of whites had been abolished but indentured servitude was still common. And the reality is if machines capable of doing the work of many men hadn't been invented, if working the fields or breaking rocks or anything that required large numbers doing everything manually was still required, we'd still have slavery today. The wealthy are going to have their cheap labor. Don't kid yourself about letting millions in from Latin America. They aren't here to establish average American lives. They're here to grunt work cheaply. Their educated kids will move on to better things and as the parents age they'll be replaced by more wage slave labor. Or new machines that'll replace most of them and many citizens too. Your sniping at average Americans today just shows your lack of understanding of the past and the present but you want to be seen as one of the good ones by virtue signaling. Condemning the Founding Fathers when you enjoy freedoms that they instituted when most of the world wasn't free and laid the foundation for a world where you can condemn the powers that be without being beaten or killed shows we have a lot more to do to educate our kids instead of the foolishness that's being taught now. [/QUOTE]

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