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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 6069120" data-attributes="member: 24302">I just looked at a bunch of websites after asking Google how many had died in the war.&nbsp; If you add up dead and wounded on both sides the latest estimates are about a million people with the Russians suffering about three times as many dead and wounded.&nbsp; Ukrainian civilians killed are at about 12,500.As for destroyed cities there appear to be seven currently with most of them small towns in the Donbas.&nbsp; There was one city, Mariupol, about 200,000 before the war, that was completely destroyed.Trump said all their cities have been destroyed and millions have died.&nbsp; Not so.&nbsp; But he is prone to exaggeration.&nbsp; The war in 2024 saw the Russians gain about 6000 square kilometers of territory.&nbsp; That&#039;s a little over 2300 sq miles or about twice the size of the county I live in here in Florida.&nbsp; So pretty much a stalemate.&nbsp; What&#039;s that famous Ben Franklin quote?&nbsp; &quot;Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty or Safety.&quot;&nbsp; I&#039;m certain you&#039;re familiar with the Russian caused famine in Ukraine in the 1930&#039;s that killed millions of Ukrainians?&nbsp; I know you are aware of the decades of Soviet oppression.&nbsp; Why do you think the Ukrainians didn&#039;t just surrender three years ago?&nbsp; Give Putin all he wanted, which was the whole country?&nbsp; Trump has already said Putin brought up invading Ukraine during his first term and he told him he better not.&nbsp; Y&#039;all act like 2022 was when all of this started.&nbsp; No, 2022 was when Putin decided to invade after seeing how weak Biden was.&nbsp; So DIDO was very mistaken three years ago to suggest the Ukrainians should just give Putin the Donbas and Crimea and everything would&#039;ve been fine.&nbsp; What was it that was said on this forum then?&nbsp; That the Ukrainians weren&#039;t even an ethnic group.&nbsp; They&#039;re really Russians.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 6069120, member: 24302"] I just looked at a bunch of websites after asking Google how many had died in the war. If you add up dead and wounded on both sides the latest estimates are about a million people with the Russians suffering about three times as many dead and wounded. Ukrainian civilians killed are at about 12,500. As for destroyed cities there appear to be seven currently with most of them small towns in the Donbas. There was one city, Mariupol, about 200,000 before the war, that was completely destroyed. Trump said all their cities have been destroyed and millions have died. Not so. But he is prone to exaggeration. The war in 2024 saw the Russians gain about 6000 square kilometers of territory. That's a little over 2300 sq miles or about twice the size of the county I live in here in Florida. So pretty much a stalemate. What's that famous Ben Franklin quote? "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty or Safety." I'm certain you're familiar with the Russian caused famine in Ukraine in the 1930's that killed millions of Ukrainians? I know you are aware of the decades of Soviet oppression. Why do you think the Ukrainians didn't just surrender three years ago? Give Putin all he wanted, which was the whole country? Trump has already said Putin brought up invading Ukraine during his first term and he told him he better not. Y'all act like 2022 was when all of this started. No, 2022 was when Putin decided to invade after seeing how weak Biden was. So DIDO was very mistaken three years ago to suggest the Ukrainians should just give Putin the Donbas and Crimea and everything would've been fine. What was it that was said on this forum then? That the Ukrainians weren't even an ethnic group. They're really Russians. [/QUOTE]

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