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<blockquote data-quote="MostHelpNeeded" data-source="post: 5207467" data-attributes="member: 66806">I feel like you need to hear a different point of view...For as long as I&#039;ve been here, and been alive, a UPS driver has always been a well paying job, and UPS has always made good profits while paying its drivers well.For as long as I&#039;ve been here, going rate for a decent rental (3br) has been about equal to and average weeks pay (45 hours)...Up until the last two years$50/hr sounds like a lot of money, I get that. The same way $27 used to sound like a lot of money while I was waiting to hit top rate. &quot;I&#039;ll be able to pay my rent in one week, and still have some left over!&quot; The truth is, $50 is not a lot of money in todays world. In reality, our raises for the last few contracts have been under par. $.70, .80, even a whole $1 a year just isn&#039;t enough, relative to our rate. On average, we need 3% to keep up with inflation. Our raises for the last three contracts, have been about $.25 under that inflation amount. When you add that up over the years, we should be closer to $45/hr now. If you can understand that, then maybe that $50/hr doesn&#039;t sound so off. It&#039;s basically, that $45 + 8-9% to account for last years inflation. They&#039;re in all reality, paying drivers less than they were 10 years ago, you need to understand that that has happened. It&#039;s the thought process of $50/hr is too much that gets us there. Inflation is real, and if you don&#039;t keep up, you&#039;re going backwards.Stop worrying about UPS&#039; profits. People who make way more money to worry about those profits, worry about those profits. UPS raises rates every year which makes up for every raise we get. Record profits has been a common phrase for a while here now. Any chance that has to do with the &#039;cut&#039; in payroll, as I just explained?Amazon won&#039;t destroy us. The volume isn&#039;t going anywhere. The day will come when Amazon&#039;s retail sales will stop growing. It could be tomorrow, it could be 10 years from now, but one day some retail start up will take attention and then market share away from Amazon, and when this massive network they&#039;ve built becomes a liability, they will start cutting, especially after Bezos goes and the company inevitability gets run by a string of people looking to make their millions and bale. There will always be competition for Amazon, and because of that, there will always be a need for us. We deliver, and their is so much more market then just direct to consumer sales.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MostHelpNeeded, post: 5207467, member: 66806"] I feel like you need to hear a different point of view... For as long as I've been here, and been alive, a UPS driver has always been a well paying job, and UPS has always made good profits while paying its drivers well. For as long as I've been here, going rate for a decent rental (3br) has been about equal to and average weeks pay (45 hours)...Up until the last two years $50/hr sounds like a lot of money, I get that. The same way $27 used to sound like a lot of money while I was waiting to hit top rate. "I'll be able to pay my rent in one week, and still have some left over!" The truth is, $50 is not a lot of money in todays world. In reality, our raises for the last few contracts have been under par. $.70, .80, even a whole $1 a year just isn't enough, relative to our rate. On average, we need 3% to keep up with inflation. Our raises for the last three contracts, have been about $.25 under that inflation amount. When you add that up over the years, we should be closer to $45/hr now. If you can understand that, then maybe that $50/hr doesn't sound so off. It's basically, that $45 + 8-9% to account for last years inflation. They're in all reality, paying drivers less than they were 10 years ago, you need to understand that that has happened. It's the thought process of $50/hr is too much that gets us there. Inflation is real, and if you don't keep up, you're going backwards. Stop worrying about UPS' profits. People who make way more money to worry about those profits, worry about those profits. UPS raises rates every year which makes up for every raise we get. Record profits has been a common phrase for a while here now. Any chance that has to do with the 'cut' in payroll, as I just explained? Amazon won't destroy us. The volume isn't going anywhere. The day will come when Amazon's retail sales will stop growing. It could be tomorrow, it could be 10 years from now, but one day some retail start up will take attention and then market share away from Amazon, and when this massive network they've built becomes a liability, they will start cutting, especially after Bezos goes and the company inevitability gets run by a string of people looking to make their millions and bale. There will always be competition for Amazon, and because of that, there will always be a need for us. We deliver, and their is so much more market then just direct to consumer sales. [/QUOTE]

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