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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 786683" data-attributes="member: 2189">I wonder who worked the kid up to begin with and then planted the whole idea to boot?&nbsp;I wonder what you could have gotten the Columbine Twins to do if you convinced them they had the materials to do it with?&nbsp;What happens to the war on terror, what happens to all that investment and capital spent, to all those people in gov&#039;t hired if no new terrorist pop up? Unlike what seems of the 9/11 crew, why have all of the subsequent &quot;terrorist&quot; either been purely rank amateurs or at best useful idiots of sting operations?&nbsp;What would have happened to the military/industrial complex after the enemy of the Soviet Union went away and no Islamic Jihad or global terrorism to take it&#039;s place? What would happen if the whole global islamic/jihad movement disappeared like a fart in the wind?&nbsp;Why has so much resources been spent now on non-nuclear weapons when for the previous 40 years so much has been used on nuclear weapons? Who built the nukes then and who builds the non-nukes now? Why have nuclear weapons become almost obsolete in terms of real warfare? Why has the focus on accuracy to limited size target footprint overpowered masssive destructive force over a large geographic area?&nbsp;Do you dare consider a purely economic incentive for corp. profits and stock price increases and follow the money? The June 1972&#039; editon of Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists included and article entitled, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=mwsAAAAAMBAJ&amp;pg=PA20&amp;lpg=PA20&amp;dq=profit+margins+of+the+military+industrial+complex&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=t9sCLbnX4I&amp;sig=fFyPXMY6zfizeSK__IqoFf5scDs&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=kBnxTLChO4KClAfslPCTDQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=profit%20margins%20of%20the%20military%20industrial%20complex&amp;friend=false" target="_blank">&quot;Hiding Behind the Military Industrial Complex&quot;</a> which was addressing the then growing nuclear arms industry but it&#039;s view was an economic one and natural human actions rather than some nefarious larger conspiracy. 38 years later, take out nuclear weapons, Soviet Union and other Cold War references and replace it with our current version and see what we find? Is there an economic incentive for example to even try and bait some young 19 year old where absent an economic incentive, such baiting would not even be thought of? &nbsp;What happens to the massive central planning economic model of the state itself if the whole reason such a huge industry disappears overnight? What will take it&#039;s place in the central planning economic model? Where will so many people find work? What are the effects on wage rates even outside the arms industry?&nbsp;Nefarious motives or not and I do believe there are &quot;some&quot; nefarious political and even religious motives involved but as I said, &quot;follow the money&quot; and you&#039;ll likely catch 90% of the full picture and most of that is just natural human action and human nature in an economic setting. A choice was made and like perpetual motion, it has taken a life of it&#039;s own!&nbsp;As Randolph Bourne correctly said:&quot;War is the health of the State!&quot;&nbsp;That 19 year old kid whether he meant to or not just helped increase a customer base for all those people who are out there in the bidness in trying to stop him but the question is, what advertising was the kid exposed too and who were the salesman in order to get him to play his part in this big economic game?&nbsp;Same is true in the domestic front and central planning if we began to de-criminalize certain human actions, where&#039;s the need then for cops, lawyers, judges, jails....... &quot;Drug War is the health of the state?&quot; What happens if the lower economic class breaks free, begins to prosper and what effects on the State&#039;s Welfare structure?&nbsp;It&#039;s all economic and it&#039;s all about a &quot;True Free Market!&quot;<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" />jmo</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 786683, member: 2189"] I wonder who worked the kid up to begin with and then planted the whole idea to boot? I wonder what you could have gotten the Columbine Twins to do if you convinced them they had the materials to do it with? What happens to the war on terror, what happens to all that investment and capital spent, to all those people in gov't hired if no new terrorist pop up? Unlike what seems of the 9/11 crew, why have all of the subsequent "terrorist" either been purely rank amateurs or at best useful idiots of sting operations? What would have happened to the military/industrial complex after the enemy of the Soviet Union went away and no Islamic Jihad or global terrorism to take it's place? What would happen if the whole global islamic/jihad movement disappeared like a fart in the wind? Why has so much resources been spent now on non-nuclear weapons when for the previous 40 years so much has been used on nuclear weapons? Who built the nukes then and who builds the non-nukes now? Why have nuclear weapons become almost obsolete in terms of real warfare? Why has the focus on accuracy to limited size target footprint overpowered masssive destructive force over a large geographic area? Do you dare consider a purely economic incentive for corp. profits and stock price increases and follow the money? The June 1972' editon of Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists included and article entitled, [URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=mwsAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=profit+margins+of+the+military+industrial+complex&source=bl&ots=t9sCLbnX4I&sig=fFyPXMY6zfizeSK__IqoFf5scDs&hl=en&ei=kBnxTLChO4KClAfslPCTDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=profit%20margins%20of%20the%20military%20industrial%20complex&friend=false"][COLOR=red]"Hiding Behind the Military Industrial Complex"[/COLOR][/URL] which was addressing the then growing nuclear arms industry but it's view was an economic one and natural human actions rather than some nefarious larger conspiracy. 38 years later, take out nuclear weapons, Soviet Union and other Cold War references and replace it with our current version and see what we find? Is there an economic incentive for example to even try and bait some young 19 year old where absent an economic incentive, such baiting would not even be thought of? What happens to the massive central planning economic model of the state itself if the whole reason such a huge industry disappears overnight? What will take it's place in the central planning economic model? Where will so many people find work? What are the effects on wage rates even outside the arms industry? Nefarious motives or not and I do believe there are "some" nefarious political and even religious motives involved but as I said, "follow the money" and you'll likely catch 90% of the full picture and most of that is just natural human action and human nature in an economic setting. A choice was made and like perpetual motion, it has taken a life of it's own! As Randolph Bourne correctly said:"War is the health of the State!" That 19 year old kid whether he meant to or not just helped increase a customer base for all those people who are out there in the bidness in trying to stop him but the question is, what advertising was the kid exposed too and who were the salesman in order to get him to play his part in this big economic game? Same is true in the domestic front and central planning if we began to de-criminalize certain human actions, where's the need then for cops, lawyers, judges, jails....... "Drug War is the health of the state?" What happens if the lower economic class breaks free, begins to prosper and what effects on the State's Welfare structure? It's all economic and it's all about a "True Free Market!" :wink2: jmo [/QUOTE]

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