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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 850429" data-attributes="member: 2189">But what if we started by covert means the entire conflict to begin with?&nbsp; Gaddafi&#039;s reaction may be immoral and even before the conflict I didn&#039;t consider him or his rule moral but just because we contrived the whole thing doesn&#039;t mean now deep into it, we can morally justify ourselves and our actions to a reaction we instigated in the first place.&nbsp; Saddam was an &quot;behind cavern&quot; (another expression this will pass the site censor program) but going into that nation to overthrow on false grounds, are you saying this was right after the fact because you think you got some feelgood moment of charitable goodwill?&nbsp; Where is the limit of invasion if any falsehood is justified on the premise that our motive was of goodwill?Provoking a punch and then decrying it thrown after the fact makes one a hypocrite.&nbsp; Ironic the rebels are openly flying the old 1951&#039; neo-colonialist monarchy flag of the old European regime so I find much of that telling as well.&nbsp; IMO, neither side has the real intent or best interest of the Libyan people at heart.&nbsp; Getting rid of Gaddafi on one hand may be good just as you could say this about Saddam but in the longhaul, at what ultimate cost?The history of US interventions are not only dripping in blood but far more often than not, a greater harm to the nation&#039;s folk and their real liberty.&nbsp; One the otherhand, we in the US get the economic benefit (we think) but just remember, it&#039;s stained with a lot of innocent blood and history is repeat with Karma always rebalancing the books!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 850429, member: 2189"] But what if we started by covert means the entire conflict to begin with? Gaddafi's reaction may be immoral and even before the conflict I didn't consider him or his rule moral but just because we contrived the whole thing doesn't mean now deep into it, we can morally justify ourselves and our actions to a reaction we instigated in the first place. Saddam was an "behind cavern" (another expression this will pass the site censor program) but going into that nation to overthrow on false grounds, are you saying this was right after the fact because you think you got some feelgood moment of charitable goodwill? Where is the limit of invasion if any falsehood is justified on the premise that our motive was of goodwill? Provoking a punch and then decrying it thrown after the fact makes one a hypocrite. Ironic the rebels are openly flying the old 1951' neo-colonialist monarchy flag of the old European regime so I find much of that telling as well. IMO, neither side has the real intent or best interest of the Libyan people at heart. Getting rid of Gaddafi on one hand may be good just as you could say this about Saddam but in the longhaul, at what ultimate cost? The history of US interventions are not only dripping in blood but far more often than not, a greater harm to the nation's folk and their real liberty. One the otherhand, we in the US get the economic benefit (we think) but just remember, it's stained with a lot of innocent blood and history is repeat with Karma always rebalancing the books! [/QUOTE]

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