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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5211897" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>But the Ukrainians had them for when the Russians invaded in 2022.&nbsp; They didn&#039;t have the privilege of defending themselves when Russia invaded in 2014.&nbsp; By the way weapons were given by Trump that turned the tide in the Donbas war.&nbsp; Until then Russia&#039;s support had tipped the balance in favor of the ethnic Russian rebels.&nbsp; Don&#039;t forget also it was under Obama&#039;s leadership that the Russians took the Crimean Peninsula.&nbsp; And it was Obama caught on a hot microphone saying tell Vladimir to be patient until after Obama&#039;s last election.&nbsp; Obama sold the Ukrainians down the river and Biden has had to be dragged into giving assistance.&nbsp; And we&#039;ve got people here saying it&#039;s all some made up fantasy.&nbsp; Or trying to make an equivalence between what the Russians are doing and the U.S. actions in Iraq and elsewhere.&nbsp; Meanwhile civilians are getting slaughtered.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5211897, member: 24302"] But the Ukrainians had them for when the Russians invaded in 2022. They didn't have the privilege of defending themselves when Russia invaded in 2014. By the way weapons were given by Trump that turned the tide in the Donbas war. Until then Russia's support had tipped the balance in favor of the ethnic Russian rebels. Don't forget also it was under Obama's leadership that the Russians took the Crimean Peninsula. And it was Obama caught on a hot microphone saying tell Vladimir to be patient until after Obama's last election. Obama sold the Ukrainians down the river and Biden has had to be dragged into giving assistance. And we've got people here saying it's all some made up fantasy. Or trying to make an equivalence between what the Russians are doing and the U.S. actions in Iraq and elsewhere. Meanwhile civilians are getting slaughtered. [/QUOTE]

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