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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5231029" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>If you think Russia invaded with almost 200,000 troops, and brought in tanks and fighter jets and missiles, and completely destroyed the city of Mariupol, causing over 5000 civilian deaths in that city alone, and has been repeatedly shown on video firing at civilian apartment buildings with its tanks in numerous cities, as well as missile strikes that it has and Ukraine doesn't, if you still think that it's possible that all that was possibly done by Ukraine to just make Russia look bad, and that we're all being manipulated to the point we don't really know who the bad guy is, you're out of your mind.</p></blockquote><p></p>