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<blockquote data-quote="newfie" data-source="post: 6094393" data-attributes="member: 58700">there are a slew of other options that biden could have employed but they had to be employed when Biden saw Russia massing on the border not after the fact.&nbsp; no one before Trump has been pushing for a negotiated settlement of this conflict . the war mongers wanted it to happen.&nbsp; this war is unwinnable for either side , a negotiated settlement is what should have been on the table from the start.&nbsp; this war will end in a stalemate the only question now is how much land Russia will end up with. the point again about Trumps threat is not that we would have necessarily attacked Russia but that Trump was unpredictable and Putin did not have a good feel for how Trump would react.&nbsp; that uncertainty was enough. the rest of our past president back to reagan have always been very predictable probably because they all had the same beaurocrats advising them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="newfie, post: 6094393, member: 58700"] there are a slew of other options that biden could have employed but they had to be employed when Biden saw Russia massing on the border not after the fact. no one before Trump has been pushing for a negotiated settlement of this conflict . the war mongers wanted it to happen. this war is unwinnable for either side , a negotiated settlement is what should have been on the table from the start. this war will end in a stalemate the only question now is how much land Russia will end up with. the point again about Trumps threat is not that we would have necessarily attacked Russia but that Trump was unpredictable and Putin did not have a good feel for how Trump would react. that uncertainty was enough. the rest of our past president back to reagan have always been very predictable probably because they all had the same beaurocrats advising them. [/QUOTE]

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