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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 2979246" data-attributes="member: 24302">I was referring to traditional as if we still had it.  But I knew of couriers in California making $70k when we had the traditional.  Before traditional ended topped out couriers were making over $20hr on lowest payscale.  So plenty of topped out couriers in higher payscales working 50+ hrs a week grossed $60k or more.  Also while traditional pensions limited payouts to formula based on 25 years max, they still took your five highest paid years to figure your pension.  Thus if you worked 30 years, and your last five years were your highest paid, those were the five years used to figure your highest average annual pay.</blockquote>