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<blockquote data-quote="Sportello" data-source="post: 2193597" data-attributes="member: 55299"><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/2012/bsbullf.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bsbullf:" title="Bsbullf :bsbullf:" data-shortname=":bsbullf:" /></p><p></p><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/defense/243853-jeb-bush-is-wrong-iraq-was-not-stable-before-obama" target="_blank">Jeb Bush is wrong; Iraq was not stable before Obama</a></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>President Obama was <a href="http://www.wired.com/2012/01/jan-20-2009-obamas-inauguration-crashes-websites/" target="_blank">sworn into office</a> on Jan. 20, 2009. The year prior, Iraq and Afghanistan witnessed continued violence, bloodshed and political chaos. In the case of Iraq, <a href="http://thehill.com/person/george-w-bush" target="_blank">George W. Bush</a>'s last year in office didn't see "<a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/jeb-bush-iraq-obama-fault-118171.html" target="_blank">stability</a>" in that country, as stated recently by his brother, former Florida Gov. <a href="http://thehill.com/person/jeb-bush" target="_blank">Jeb Bush</a> (R). Unlike the myth that many Republicans are perpetuating in 2015, the surge did not "<a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2015/05/19/its-hard-to-continue-to-support-the-war-in-iraq-after-obama-lost-it-n2000757/page/full" target="_blank">generally pacify</a>" Iraq, Bush did not leave a "<a href="http://www.scsun-news.com/silver_city-opinion/ci_28208513" target="_blank">winning war</a>," and Iraq didn't "deteriorate" (such as George W. Bush adviser <a href="http://thehill.com/person/karl-rove" target="_blank">Karl Rove</a> stated <a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/karl-rove-to-ryan-henowitz-iraq-veteran-appreciate-it-but-i-m-not-apologizing" target="_blank">after refusing to apologize</a> to a veteran) because American troops left the country.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>From 2005 until the end of 2008, when adding up all the terrorist attacks compiled by the U.S. Department of State's Country Reports on Terrorism 2009, there were a total of <a href="http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2009/140902.htm" target="_blank">19,535 terrorist attacks</a> in Iraq. As for people "killed, injured, or kidnapped" from these 19,535 terrorist attacks, the State Department lists a total of <a href="http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2009/140902.htm" target="_blank">122,596 Iraqis</a>. Regarding Iraq's human rights assessment in 2008, the State Department <a href="http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/nea/119116.htm" target="_blank">explained</a> that "Insurgent and extremist violence, coupled with weak government performance in upholding the rule of law, resulted in widespread and severe human rights abuses." One recent study cites a figure of <a href="http://world.time.com/2013/10/15/new-study-estimates-nearly-500000-died-in-iraq-war/" target="_blank">500,000 Iraqis</a> who have died from terrorism, sectarian violence and other aspects of the Iraq War.</em></p><p><em>The terror associated with Jeb Bush's definition of "stability" in Iraq and the latest conservative whitewashing of the Iraq War's bloody history is staggering. The U.S. Department of State records that in 2008 alone, <a href="http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2009/140902.htm" target="_blank">3,256 terrorist attacks</a> occurred in Iraq. As far as Bush "winning" the war, 19,077 people were "killed, kidnapped, or injured as a result of terrorism" in Iraq during George W. Bush's last year in office. Prior to 2008, the U.S. Department of State cites a total of 12,841 terrorist attacks in Iraq from 2006 to 2007, resulting in the death of 82,891 Iraqis. Apparently, Jeb Bush and others never read the State Department's Country Reports on Terrorism 2009, which states that "Since 2005 [until 2009], Iraq continues to be the single country with the most attacks and fatalities due to terrorism."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Will any Republican candidate for president ever explain how 3,256 terrorist attacks in Iraq during 2008, and 12,841 terrorist attacks in Iraq during the 2006 to 2007 period, could ever mean "stability," "winning," or a country that Obama could have "lost?"</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>As for Iraq’s civilian "deaths from violence" in 2008, which includes terrorism but also addresses the issue of sectarian violence, the <a href="https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/" target="_blank">Iraq Body Count</a> lists a death toll of 10,271 Iraqis. In terms of Jeb Bush's view of progress, or the impact of the surge, 26,036 Iraqis died in 2007 and 29,439 Iraqis died in 2006. Therefore, in the context of the 55,475 Iraqis who died as a result of violence in Iraq during the two years before 2008, Republicans might indeed be able to claim a morbid view of progress in George W. Bush's last year in office.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sportello, post: 2193597, member: 55299"] :bsbullf: [URL="http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/defense/243853-jeb-bush-is-wrong-iraq-was-not-stable-before-obama"]Jeb Bush is wrong; Iraq was not stable before Obama[/URL] [I] President Obama was [URL='http://www.wired.com/2012/01/jan-20-2009-obamas-inauguration-crashes-websites/']sworn into office[/URL] on Jan. 20, 2009. The year prior, Iraq and Afghanistan witnessed continued violence, bloodshed and political chaos. In the case of Iraq, [URL='http://thehill.com/person/george-w-bush']George W. Bush[/URL]'s last year in office didn't see "[URL='http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/jeb-bush-iraq-obama-fault-118171.html']stability[/URL]" in that country, as stated recently by his brother, former Florida Gov. [URL='http://thehill.com/person/jeb-bush']Jeb Bush[/URL] (R). Unlike the myth that many Republicans are perpetuating in 2015, the surge did not "[URL='http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2015/05/19/its-hard-to-continue-to-support-the-war-in-iraq-after-obama-lost-it-n2000757/page/full']generally pacify[/URL]" Iraq, Bush did not leave a "[URL='http://www.scsun-news.com/silver_city-opinion/ci_28208513']winning war[/URL]," and Iraq didn't "deteriorate" (such as George W. Bush adviser [URL='http://thehill.com/person/karl-rove']Karl Rove[/URL] stated [URL='http://www.examiner.com/article/karl-rove-to-ryan-henowitz-iraq-veteran-appreciate-it-but-i-m-not-apologizing']after refusing to apologize[/URL] to a veteran) because American troops left the country. From 2005 until the end of 2008, when adding up all the terrorist attacks compiled by the U.S. Department of State's Country Reports on Terrorism 2009, there were a total of [URL='http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2009/140902.htm']19,535 terrorist attacks[/URL] in Iraq. As for people "killed, injured, or kidnapped" from these 19,535 terrorist attacks, the State Department lists a total of [URL='http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2009/140902.htm']122,596 Iraqis[/URL]. Regarding Iraq's human rights assessment in 2008, the State Department [URL='http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/nea/119116.htm']explained[/URL] that "Insurgent and extremist violence, coupled with weak government performance in upholding the rule of law, resulted in widespread and severe human rights abuses." One recent study cites a figure of [URL='http://world.time.com/2013/10/15/new-study-estimates-nearly-500000-died-in-iraq-war/']500,000 Iraqis[/URL] who have died from terrorism, sectarian violence and other aspects of the Iraq War. The terror associated with Jeb Bush's definition of "stability" in Iraq and the latest conservative whitewashing of the Iraq War's bloody history is staggering. The U.S. Department of State records that in 2008 alone, [URL='http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2009/140902.htm']3,256 terrorist attacks[/URL] occurred in Iraq. As far as Bush "winning" the war, 19,077 people were "killed, kidnapped, or injured as a result of terrorism" in Iraq during George W. Bush's last year in office. Prior to 2008, the U.S. Department of State cites a total of 12,841 terrorist attacks in Iraq from 2006 to 2007, resulting in the death of 82,891 Iraqis. Apparently, Jeb Bush and others never read the State Department's Country Reports on Terrorism 2009, which states that "Since 2005 [until 2009], Iraq continues to be the single country with the most attacks and fatalities due to terrorism." Will any Republican candidate for president ever explain how 3,256 terrorist attacks in Iraq during 2008, and 12,841 terrorist attacks in Iraq during the 2006 to 2007 period, could ever mean "stability," "winning," or a country that Obama could have "lost?" As for Iraq’s civilian "deaths from violence" in 2008, which includes terrorism but also addresses the issue of sectarian violence, the [URL='https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/']Iraq Body Count[/URL] lists a death toll of 10,271 Iraqis. In terms of Jeb Bush's view of progress, or the impact of the surge, 26,036 Iraqis died in 2007 and 29,439 Iraqis died in 2006. Therefore, in the context of the 55,475 Iraqis who died as a result of violence in Iraq during the two years before 2008, Republicans might indeed be able to claim a morbid view of progress in George W. Bush's last year in office.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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