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Message: <blockquote data-quote="newfie" data-source="post: 6096276" data-attributes="member: 58700">my understanding of what trump showed yesterday is not simply the old school calculation of trade and tariffs, but a comprehensive calculation that includes tariffs they charge us , currency manipulation, products and services that are not allowed to compete at all and the vat taxes they charge. the calculation is beyond my two years of calculus but its meant to keep countries from reacting to increased tariffs by cheating us in other ways. china is a classic example when trump imposed tariffs on them the first time around they manipulated their currency to keep their prices cheap and competitive.</blockquote>