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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5940865" data-attributes="member: 24302">That&#039;s one specific company.&nbsp; But the system is exploitive.&nbsp; That&#039;s capitalism.&nbsp; I have numerous times said fine, but if employees help a business owner succeed while he holds their pay down then the least he can do is help them with their retirement by matching their SS taxes.&nbsp; I&#039;ve said this numerous times over the years.&nbsp; So I&#039;m not being a hypocrite.You on the other hand said that SS should&#039;ve never happened.&nbsp; That it&#039;s unfair to people like you because the poor get a disproportionate payment relative to their income.&nbsp; And you agreed it&#039;s welfare and that conservatives don&#039;t support welfare.&nbsp; So you&#039;re being hypocritical taking SS someday.&nbsp; And you are lying by calling me a liar about repeating your previous statements.&nbsp; You don&#039;t apparently have a problem with employers holding down pay for decades while they do well.&nbsp; You want to blame the employees for taking it.&nbsp; But you do have a problem with forcing employers to match their employees taxes.&nbsp; After decades of putting up with greedy BS artists who promise the moon but don&#039;t deliver I have no problem at all with forcing them to match SS taxes.&nbsp; They strip away my pension?&nbsp; I have to grin and bear it.&nbsp; Same with raises.&nbsp; Same with healthcare.&nbsp; But they can damn sure contribute to my SS.&nbsp; Couldn&#039;t happen to nicer people.When have you ever claimed to be a liberal?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5940865, member: 24302"] That's one specific company. But the system is exploitive. That's capitalism. I have numerous times said fine, but if employees help a business owner succeed while he holds their pay down then the least he can do is help them with their retirement by matching their SS taxes. I've said this numerous times over the years. So I'm not being a hypocrite. You on the other hand said that SS should've never happened. That it's unfair to people like you because the poor get a disproportionate payment relative to their income. And you agreed it's welfare and that conservatives don't support welfare. So you're being hypocritical taking SS someday. And you are lying by calling me a liar about repeating your previous statements. You don't apparently have a problem with employers holding down pay for decades while they do well. You want to blame the employees for taking it. But you do have a problem with forcing employers to match their employees taxes. After decades of putting up with greedy BS artists who promise the moon but don't deliver I have no problem at all with forcing them to match SS taxes. They strip away my pension? I have to grin and bear it. Same with raises. Same with healthcare. But they can damn sure contribute to my SS. Couldn't happen to nicer people. When have you ever claimed to be a liberal? [/QUOTE]

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