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<blockquote data-quote="804brown" data-source="post: 1037771" data-attributes="member: 29553">Tom Duh lay, If you knew what you were talking about you would have known that our fund was going broke.&nbsp; By june 2011 it would have been in the red by millions. That means your boys (Redmond, Buhlert, Donato) did not negotiate enough monies to get us through their last contract...first failure!!&nbsp; They take funds from the health fund to help the pension funds....second failure!!&nbsp;&nbsp; Finally during their LAST election in 2009, they refuse to tell us the true state of our funds...third failure!!&nbsp; They even had a secret plan with UPS to make some of the same cuts and increase in copays as this current board made!!&nbsp; And now he hear the hypocrits attacking our E/B about the increases, etc.&nbsp; &nbsp; By the way magnacare was a joke.&nbsp; And it was NO CADILLAC plan.&nbsp; Think about it: do you know anyone who pays only $5 copays anymore??&nbsp; It was unsustainable.&nbsp; But then again that is part of a bigger problem with our health care system nationally: greedy and wasteful private insurance companies.&nbsp; Yes, the retirees had to take a hit too.&nbsp; We all did why should they be exempt??&nbsp; They are a huge part of the expenses (ages 55-65)of the funds outlays.&nbsp; They were getting $1200 per month in benefits but paying only $225/month.&nbsp; It hurts and it might be abit unfair BUT IT HAD TO BE DONE TO PREVENT THE FUNDS FROM GOING BANKRUPT.&nbsp; Now as we have seen our E/B has created large surpluses that give the trustees (both management and union) the ability to halt the &quot;planned&quot; increases in january.&nbsp; By the way that $500 is only for retirees with who still have young kids other wise it is about $300/month or $400 if married.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="804brown, post: 1037771, member: 29553"] Tom Duh lay, If you knew what you were talking about you would have known that our fund was going broke. By june 2011 it would have been in the red by millions. That means your boys (Redmond, Buhlert, Donato) did not negotiate enough monies to get us through their last contract...first failure!! They take funds from the health fund to help the pension funds....second failure!! Finally during their LAST election in 2009, they refuse to tell us the true state of our funds...third failure!! They even had a secret plan with UPS to make some of the same cuts and increase in copays as this current board made!! And now he hear the hypocrits attacking our E/B about the increases, etc. By the way magnacare was a joke. And it was NO CADILLAC plan. Think about it: do you know anyone who pays only $5 copays anymore?? It was unsustainable. But then again that is part of a bigger problem with our health care system nationally: greedy and wasteful private insurance companies. Yes, the retirees had to take a hit too. We all did why should they be exempt?? They are a huge part of the expenses (ages 55-65)of the funds outlays. They were getting $1200 per month in benefits but paying only $225/month. It hurts and it might be abit unfair BUT IT HAD TO BE DONE TO PREVENT THE FUNDS FROM GOING BANKRUPT. Now as we have seen our E/B has created large surpluses that give the trustees (both management and union) the ability to halt the "planned" increases in january. By the way that $500 is only for retirees with who still have young kids other wise it is about $300/month or $400 if married. [/QUOTE]

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