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<blockquote data-quote="OrganGrinder" data-source="post: 301935">I had completely forgotten about this site.&nbsp; I had to do a google search of TSG Downsizing to even locate it.I was one of the people who posted a dozen or more times in this site during the 30 or so days that my district waited on hearing who stayed and who left.I left -- on my own, though.&nbsp; I took a voluntary separation package.Just last week, I had dinner with one of my old co-workers.&nbsp; He is still in TSG.&nbsp; He and a number of others give me information from time-to-time about what is going on at UPS.&nbsp; If it pertains to someone I know, I am always interested.&nbsp; If it is UPS stuff in general, I couldn&#039;t care less.I am doing fine.&nbsp; I got a job doing work that was similar to what I did at UPS.&nbsp; My current company has a lot of technology -- almost as much as UPS (North America).&nbsp; I got a Tier 3 promotion in my first year.I learned a lot at UPS.&nbsp; The downside is that I didn&#039;t need to be in TSG for a decade to get that knowledge.&nbsp; You can probably learn all you need in TSG in about 12 to 15 months.&nbsp; I made Senior Tech at UPS in less than 1 year.&nbsp; I spent another 9 just being unhappy.I would say that most TSG techs are probably no where near as skilled as they like to think.&nbsp; I deluded myself, too, when I was there.&nbsp; Over the last 5 years, a lot of TSG management and technicians in my district left.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know a one that won&#039;t support me saying that UPS technicians are overpaid when compared to the technology industry.&nbsp; I would say that TSG techs could be paid about $10 - $15 an hour when the work is compared to industry at large.&nbsp; Since TSG is part of UPS, the wages they do get is fair.&nbsp; Drivers make a killing, and why not the techs.It took me a year to catch up my skillset to what is expected of a technician outside UPS.&nbsp; Some things I was better than the industry, but on many others I was subpar.A UPS technician is a different creature --so much is proprietary.&nbsp; The biggest problem for TSG techs is that almost everything that is done is scripted.&nbsp; This is just the nature of large companies.&nbsp; I see it where I am.As long TSG techs are honest with themselves and others about what they do, there is nothing wrong with being in TSG at UPS.&nbsp; If mainstream technology is your passion, you won&#039;t get to be too involved in the creative side of support.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you just like a technology challenge, I can see getting this at UPS.&nbsp; You can make a career out of being knowledgeable about scanning and such at UPS.&nbsp; There are worst places to retire from than UPS -- UPS is tops in this regard.&nbsp; There are worst places to work than UPS -- not many, though.&nbsp; UPS really is a sucky place to show everyday.&nbsp; Like I said, though.&nbsp; It is probably one of the best in the world to show up on your last day.I hope UPS continues to do well -- I&#039;ve got a partial retirement coming some day. I hope I didn&#039;t come off too negative.&nbsp; I&#039;ve tried to put all that behind me since leaving.&nbsp; It is hard, however, to talk honestly about TSG without saying brutal truths.take care, All.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="OrganGrinder, post: 301935"] I had completely forgotten about this site. I had to do a google search of TSG Downsizing to even locate it. I was one of the people who posted a dozen or more times in this site during the 30 or so days that my district waited on hearing who stayed and who left. I left -- on my own, though. I took a voluntary separation package. Just last week, I had dinner with one of my old co-workers. He is still in TSG. He and a number of others give me information from time-to-time about what is going on at UPS. If it pertains to someone I know, I am always interested. If it is UPS stuff in general, I couldn't care less. I am doing fine. I got a job doing work that was similar to what I did at UPS. My current company has a lot of technology -- almost as much as UPS (North America). I got a Tier 3 promotion in my first year. I learned a lot at UPS. The downside is that I didn't need to be in TSG for a decade to get that knowledge. You can probably learn all you need in TSG in about 12 to 15 months. I made Senior Tech at UPS in less than 1 year. I spent another 9 just being unhappy. I would say that most TSG techs are probably no where near as skilled as they like to think. I deluded myself, too, when I was there. Over the last 5 years, a lot of TSG management and technicians in my district left. I don't know a one that won't support me saying that UPS technicians are overpaid when compared to the technology industry. I would say that TSG techs could be paid about $10 - $15 an hour when the work is compared to industry at large. Since TSG is part of UPS, the wages they do get is fair. Drivers make a killing, and why not the techs. It took me a year to catch up my skillset to what is expected of a technician outside UPS. Some things I was better than the industry, but on many others I was subpar. A UPS technician is a different creature --so much is proprietary. The biggest problem for TSG techs is that almost everything that is done is scripted. This is just the nature of large companies. I see it where I am. As long TSG techs are honest with themselves and others about what they do, there is nothing wrong with being in TSG at UPS. If mainstream technology is your passion, you won't get to be too involved in the creative side of support. If you just like a technology challenge, I can see getting this at UPS. You can make a career out of being knowledgeable about scanning and such at UPS. There are worst places to retire from than UPS -- UPS is tops in this regard. There are worst places to work than UPS -- not many, though. UPS really is a sucky place to show everyday. Like I said, though. It is probably one of the best in the world to show up on your last day. I hope UPS continues to do well -- I've got a partial retirement coming some day. I hope I didn't come off too negative. I've tried to put all that behind me since leaving. It is hard, however, to talk honestly about TSG without saying brutal truths. take care, All. [/QUOTE]

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