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<blockquote data-quote="pdx1jsb" data-source="post: 87048" data-attributes="member: 5042">...union!&nbsp;No, CurrentUPSer is clearly not in TSG, ever been in TSG or know anything about TSG. That section of the company is ran exactly like a Union with NONE OF THE UNION PROTECTION. Anyone that has experience in the department will agree. Almost everything in TSG is decided on &#039;length of service&#039; (a.k.a. seniority). Technicians over &#039;midpoint&#039; get the same 2% raise no matter how hard they work. Level 1 technicians become Sr Techs if they have enough time with the company and have maxed out the Level 1 payscale. It takes more paperwork and documentation to fire somebody in TSG than it does to fire a Union person (unless you call it consolidation and drop hundreds across the country!). &nbsp;At least when you&#039;re union there are clear guidelines and job expectations. Not some bull**** PMT Planned day moving target. And when you don&#039;t like something you have a real forum... complain to the union and something can be done at the next bargaining agreement.&nbsp;I must say I agree with SeniorGeek&#039;s comments about working to become more marketable before spending time organizing TSG. If I were still in TSG that is what I would do, as somebody that was in TSG I had plans from almost day one to leave (either UPS management positions or outside opportunities) but...If TSG is what you like join TSG_Lets_Unionize and ORGANIZE. The worst that could happen is after TSG became union it wouldn&#039;t be too bad for the people passing through. It might even become a place those people decide to spend 20+ years working.&nbsp;Just my opinion... If you don&#039;t like it do something about it. Whether you leave or try to make it better is up to you. Giving 1&#039;s and 2&#039;s on the ERI isn&#039;t going to help you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pdx1jsb, post: 87048, member: 5042"] ...union! No, CurrentUPSer is clearly not in TSG, ever been in TSG or know anything about TSG. That section of the company is ran exactly like a Union with NONE OF THE UNION PROTECTION. Anyone that has experience in the department will agree. Almost everything in TSG is decided on 'length of service' (a.k.a. seniority). Technicians over 'midpoint' get the same 2% raise no matter how hard they work. Level 1 technicians become Sr Techs if they have enough time with the company and have maxed out the Level 1 payscale. It takes more paperwork and documentation to fire somebody in TSG than it does to fire a Union person (unless you call it consolidation and drop hundreds across the country!). At least when you're union there are clear guidelines and job expectations. Not some bull**** PMT Planned day moving target. And when you don't like something you have a real forum... complain to the union and something can be done at the next bargaining agreement. I must say I agree with SeniorGeek's comments about working to become more marketable before spending time organizing TSG. If I were still in TSG that is what I would do, as somebody that was in TSG I had plans from almost day one to leave (either UPS management positions or outside opportunities) but...If TSG is what you like join [B]TSG_Lets_Unionize [/B]and ORGANIZE. The worst that could happen is after TSG became union it wouldn't be too bad for the people passing through. It might even become a place those people decide to spend 20+ years working. Just my opinion... If you don't like it do something about it. Whether you leave or try to make it better is up to you. Giving 1's and 2's on the ERI isn't going to help you. [/QUOTE]

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