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<blockquote data-quote="Whither" data-source="post: 4188372" data-attributes="member: 76643">[USER=63706]@zubenelgenubi[/USER] FWIW I think you&#039;ve captured an essential hurdle: contentment breeds complacency. Someone wisely warned that it was not enough for workers to demand a fair day&#039;s pay for a fair day&#039;s work, but that we should go ahead and insist on the abolition of wage labor altogether. It&#039;s a darkly comical fact of history that some Roman slaves were fabulously wealthy. I don&#039;t consider myself a leftist because I think the Bill Gateses and David Abneys of the world are more preoccupied with the whims of the market than I am ... to me capital(ism) is not a conspiracy of evil fat-cats, it would do no good to chop off the leaders&#039;/owners&#039; heads and run the factories, warehouses, governments ourselves (let alone have the Party run them on &#039;our&#039; behalves!) ...We&#039;ve learned to equate freedom with the ability to buy many, if not all, the things that tickle our fancy, but is that freedom? I don&#039;t think the ability to buy houses, cars, fancy dinners, nice clothes, vacations, blah blah blah has much at all to do with the ability to affirm and take responsibility for oneself ... but, y&#039;know, Fight Club ruined me on this society at age 17 and consistent reading of Nietzsche did the rest ...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Whither, post: 4188372, member: 76643"] [USER=63706]@zubenelgenubi[/USER] FWIW I think you've captured an essential hurdle: contentment breeds complacency. Someone wisely warned that it was not enough for workers to demand a fair day's pay for a fair day's work, but that we should go ahead and insist on the abolition of wage labor altogether. It's a darkly comical fact of history that some Roman slaves were fabulously wealthy. I don't consider myself a leftist because I think the Bill Gateses and David Abneys of the world are more preoccupied with the whims of the market than I am ... to me capital(ism) is not a conspiracy of evil fat-cats, it would do no good to chop off the leaders'/owners' heads and run the factories, warehouses, governments ourselves (let alone have the Party run them on 'our' behalves!) ... We've learned to equate freedom with the ability to buy many, if not all, the things that tickle our fancy, but is that freedom? I don't think the ability to buy houses, cars, fancy dinners, nice clothes, vacations, blah blah blah has much at all to do with the ability to affirm and take responsibility for oneself ... but, y'know, Fight Club ruined me on this society at age 17 and consistent reading of Nietzsche did the rest ... [/QUOTE]

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