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<blockquote data-quote="av8torntn" data-source="post: 1021303" data-attributes="member: 8259">I can&#039;t see any possible way that you are guaranteed a right to vote as people lose that &quot;right&quot; regularly. There is also a mechanism(that varies state to state) to sue to gain that &quot;right&quot; back. OK, yes you proved to me that the issue of people being disenfranchised by having to present an ID was/is a fabricated one.I have no concerns, I was just using you to work through the issue. I have since developed the belief that people on your side of this issue are trying to disenfranchise groups of voters by ignoring fraud that you have admitted exists. You have only admitted to a very small amount of fraud which would equal a small amount of disenfranchisement but you would also refuse those in charge of elections the ability to root out more fraud or to even detect any fraud. You fabricate this issue that someone could get to multiple elections a year but couldn&#039;t possibly get an ID once every ten years or so. I&#039;m just not buying that there are &quot;millions&quot; of people out there that cannot in no possible terms gain an ID in these times. The dimocrats primarily support this fraud who incidentally also seem to be the ones that sue, sue, sue every time they lose an election until they can get someone to declare them a winner or run out of options.I&#039;m not surprised that you disagree with my thought that states should be allowed to govern themselves(ninth and tenth amendments to the Constitution). I don&#039;t know why as I don&#039;t recall you saying anything specific before now.If you actually are concerned about power and money running the show I hate to break it to you. It does. If you really want to make a change to that you will need power and money yourself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="av8torntn, post: 1021303, member: 8259"] I can't see any possible way that you are guaranteed a right to vote as people lose that "right" regularly. There is also a mechanism(that varies state to state) to sue to gain that "right" back. OK, yes you proved to me that the issue of people being disenfranchised by having to present an ID was/is a fabricated one. I have no concerns, I was just using you to work through the issue. I have since developed the belief that people on your side of this issue are trying to disenfranchise groups of voters by ignoring fraud that you have admitted exists. You have only admitted to a very small amount of fraud which would equal a small amount of disenfranchisement but you would also refuse those in charge of elections the ability to root out more fraud or to even detect any fraud. You fabricate this issue that someone could get to multiple elections a year but couldn't possibly get an ID once every ten years or so. I'm just not buying that there are "millions" of people out there that cannot in no possible terms gain an ID in these times. The dimocrats primarily support this fraud who incidentally also seem to be the ones that sue, sue, sue every time they lose an election until they can get someone to declare them a winner or run out of options. I'm not surprised that you disagree with my thought that states should be allowed to govern themselves(ninth and tenth amendments to the Constitution). I don't know why as I don't recall you saying anything specific before now. If you actually are concerned about power and money running the show I hate to break it to you. It does. If you really want to make a change to that you will need power and money yourself. [/QUOTE]

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