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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5608153" data-attributes="member: 24302">If you look at the fall of many civilizations it often started with decadent rotting from within.  There's nothing uplifting, no pun intended, about a bunch of guys grunting in a bathhouse.  Keep it to yourselves.  And for the record heterosexuals need to be more modest too.  When everything is reduced down to seeking sexual pleasure and all roads lead there then that society is on its way out.  Sex happens, always has, always will.  But when it's the be all, end all focus of any culture then we're all in trouble.</blockquote>