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<blockquote data-quote="livinitup" data-source="post: 259348" data-attributes="member: 8275"><p>Went to our contract review meeting today....<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/biggrin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":biggrin:" title="Biggrin :biggrin:" data-shortname=":biggrin:" /></p><p></p><p>The first words out of the mouth of our local president was,"Thank you for coming here today. I'd like to start of this meeting by saying <strong>we are not here do debate this contract</strong>, this meeting is only to help you understand the language to help you make an informed decision. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/mellow.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mellow:" title="Mellow :mellow:" data-shortname=":mellow:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>I tried to ask about the new language that says they are taking some new part-timer's benifits for the first year of their employment. </p><p></p><p><strong>Immediately</strong> he jumped all over me. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/confused1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" />1 </p><p></p><p>Then <strong>all hell broke lose</strong>....a few of the other members started yelling and using profanity showing there general dissent for the attitude of our president.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group2/2guns.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":2guns:" title="2guns :2guns:" data-shortname=":2guns:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group2/hammer.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hammer:" title="Hammer :hammer:" data-shortname=":hammer:" /></p><p></p><p>I proceeded with my original comment, realizing at this point that this is <strong>not an informational meeting</strong>, and quoted the contract verbatum. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/mad.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-shortname=":mad:" /></p><p></p><p>His response, which was a little more civil this time, was that they <strong>part-timers </strong>inour supplemental agreement will not lose there <strong>Health Care</strong> for the first year, but <strong>would lose any sick pay, holiday pay,</strong> and wouldn't receive any vacation for the first year. <strong>However</strong>, that in other parts of the country all new part-timers lose all the above plus their health car for their first year and the first 18 months for their family. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/sad.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":sad:" title="Sad :sad:" data-shortname=":sad:" /></p><p></p><p>The president became increasingly combative with each additional question each member asked.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/ohmy.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":ohmy:" title="Ohmy :ohmy:" data-shortname=":ohmy:" /></p><p></p><p>Needless to say it became a debate about not only the monetary benefits in the contract but also other issues; like no new full time jobs, language allowing company to <strong>DISCHARGE</strong> drivers after first offense based exclusively on <strong>GPS </strong>information. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/scared.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":scared:" title="Scared :scared:" data-shortname=":scared:" /></p><p></p><p>In general the union thinks this is the best contract we are going to get in today's market. </p><p></p><p>Other issues brought up:</p><p></p><p><strong>Starting </strong>part-time <strong>wages frozen at $8.50</strong> for life of agreement.</p><p>California's Minimum wage wil be $8 Jan. 1, 2008.</p><p></p><p><strong>New 9.5 language</strong> which requires you to <strong>opt in or out of 9.5 list,</strong> which if you opt out you will be suck working over time for 5 months to cover those on the list. My <strong>suggestion </strong>would be for <strong>everyone to sign the list</strong> and then they will have to force the low seniority drivers to work overtime, but at least they will be getting paid <strong>triple time</strong> to do it.</p><p></p><p>Language which would allow the union to <strong>reallocate the general wage increases</strong> to the pension funds, which are not funded under the law, which will take effect on Jan. 1, 2008. It also states that they may <strong>reallocate pension increases</strong> back to the general wage increases. Again, this language doesn't apply to me because my supplement has a <strong>mantinence of benefits clause.</strong></p><p></p><p>I suggest you read it and then vote how ever you want.</p><p></p><p><strong>I will vote no.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbdown.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbdown" title="Thumbdown :thumbdown" data-shortname=":thumbdown" /></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="livinitup, post: 259348, member: 8275"] Went to our contract review meeting today....:biggrin: The first words out of the mouth of our local president was,"Thank you for coming here today. I'd like to start of this meeting by saying [B]we are not here do debate this contract[/B], this meeting is only to help you understand the language to help you make an informed decision. :mellow: I tried to ask about the new language that says they are taking some new part-timer's benifits for the first year of their employment. [B]Immediately[/B] he jumped all over me. :confused1 Then [B]all hell broke lose[/B]....a few of the other members started yelling and using profanity showing there general dissent for the attitude of our president.:2guns::hammer: I proceeded with my original comment, realizing at this point that this is [B]not an informational meeting[/B], and quoted the contract verbatum. :mad: His response, which was a little more civil this time, was that they [B]part-timers [/B]inour supplemental agreement will not lose there [B]Health Care[/B] for the first year, but [B]would lose any sick pay, holiday pay,[/B] and wouldn't receive any vacation for the first year. [B]However[/B], that in other parts of the country all new part-timers lose all the above plus their health car for their first year and the first 18 months for their family. :sad: The president became increasingly combative with each additional question each member asked.:ohmy: Needless to say it became a debate about not only the monetary benefits in the contract but also other issues; like no new full time jobs, language allowing company to [B]DISCHARGE[/B] drivers after first offense based exclusively on [B]GPS [/B]information. :scared: In general the union thinks this is the best contract we are going to get in today's market. Other issues brought up: [B]Starting [/B]part-time [B]wages frozen at $8.50[/B] for life of agreement. California's Minimum wage wil be $8 Jan. 1, 2008. [B]New 9.5 language[/B] which requires you to [B]opt in or out of 9.5 list,[/B] which if you opt out you will be suck working over time for 5 months to cover those on the list. My [B]suggestion [/B]would be for [B]everyone to sign the list[/B] and then they will have to force the low seniority drivers to work overtime, but at least they will be getting paid [B]triple time[/B] to do it. Language which would allow the union to [B]reallocate the general wage increases[/B] to the pension funds, which are not funded under the law, which will take effect on Jan. 1, 2008. It also states that they may [B]reallocate pension increases[/B] back to the general wage increases. Again, this language doesn't apply to me because my supplement has a [B]mantinence of benefits clause.[/B] I suggest you read it and then vote how ever you want. [B]I will vote no.:thumbdown[/B] [/QUOTE]
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