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Yes or NO on NEW CONTRACT?
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<blockquote data-quote="Cezanne" data-source="post: 259423" data-attributes="member: 5104"><p>Whether you vote NO or YES is your own individual decision, saying that I HATE it when members base their choices based on unsubstance FEAR AND HEARSAY. Please everybody study the lanuage in the Master agreement and ALL the supplements, can you live with it for the next 5 1/2 years and do you throughly understand what you are voting for.</p><p> </p><p>I personally see alot of unanswered questions about this UPS/IBT pension plan, and I will not keep repeating myself by posting them again. I will be down at the hall today to attend the contract meeting and hope to get my questions answered, but from previous direct contact with our officials I do not expect any resolution or concrete answers. Just from talking to my fellow brothers and sisters in my local which is in the Central States debacle, I am getting the impression that most are voting down this contract. The higher the seniority and involvement with union business the more angry they are, it may be resentment from what happened LAST CONTRACT and it is pay back time. I have come to the conclusion just from the inadequate informaton given that the benefits with this new IBT/UPS pension plan is substandard to the amount of compensation and concessions given under Master lanuage. Bottom line is we are not going to get our money's worth and will be force to settle with peanuts. For those who are inclined to vote yes, please do not start bellyaching when you see our Western Conference members retire 2 to 5 years from now collecting twice as much for the same number of years. It will happen.</p><p> </p><p>Also consider what kind of job most of us have with UPS. What does it do to you physically and will you make it to the age requirements and benefit levels to make livable pension benefit. For us with 25 or 30 and over fifty we understand the day is coming when you can not do this job and we have seen what happens to the stray sheep that can not keep up with the herd. What are the permanent disability statistics for UPS employees who reach the ages of 50 to 57 and just how much are they collecting with their reduced disability pension benefits? I would imagine that those figures were formulated by the bean counters who will set up and control this new pension plan. </p><p> </p><p>This pension meeting will be interesting and I will give up the details, guessing that it will turn into a yelling match and drag on for hours.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/crying.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":crying:" title="Crying :crying:" data-shortname=":crying:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cezanne, post: 259423, member: 5104"] Whether you vote NO or YES is your own individual decision, saying that I HATE it when members base their choices based on unsubstance FEAR AND HEARSAY. Please everybody study the lanuage in the Master agreement and ALL the supplements, can you live with it for the next 5 1/2 years and do you throughly understand what you are voting for. I personally see alot of unanswered questions about this UPS/IBT pension plan, and I will not keep repeating myself by posting them again. I will be down at the hall today to attend the contract meeting and hope to get my questions answered, but from previous direct contact with our officials I do not expect any resolution or concrete answers. Just from talking to my fellow brothers and sisters in my local which is in the Central States debacle, I am getting the impression that most are voting down this contract. The higher the seniority and involvement with union business the more angry they are, it may be resentment from what happened LAST CONTRACT and it is pay back time. I have come to the conclusion just from the inadequate informaton given that the benefits with this new IBT/UPS pension plan is substandard to the amount of compensation and concessions given under Master lanuage. Bottom line is we are not going to get our money's worth and will be force to settle with peanuts. For those who are inclined to vote yes, please do not start bellyaching when you see our Western Conference members retire 2 to 5 years from now collecting twice as much for the same number of years. It will happen. Also consider what kind of job most of us have with UPS. What does it do to you physically and will you make it to the age requirements and benefit levels to make livable pension benefit. For us with 25 or 30 and over fifty we understand the day is coming when you can not do this job and we have seen what happens to the stray sheep that can not keep up with the herd. What are the permanent disability statistics for UPS employees who reach the ages of 50 to 57 and just how much are they collecting with their reduced disability pension benefits? I would imagine that those figures were formulated by the bean counters who will set up and control this new pension plan. This pension meeting will be interesting and I will give up the details, guessing that it will turn into a yelling match and drag on for hours.:crying: [/QUOTE]
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