It must be that Bostonian accent !
2012 Pay band.......
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January 2013 look for all business units (Brown, Freight, SCS, etc) to go under one incentive plan. Rumor I'm getting is all units will falll under the SCS model....Managers - 1 unit, supervisors - 1/2 unit. The half of RSU's you get in cash will roll into your salary (one time deal - just like the old "half month) then new plan takes affect.
If this is true, I predict in 2014 the rest will go into your salary.....this way UPS issues no more MIP (looks good to Wall Street) and if it pushes a lot of people over the new salary band max, this would mean salaries could be "frozen" for a lot of people if the bands are not immediately expanded (no matter how hard you work)....sounds like a "winner" for UPS...again just a rumor I hear kicked around
If this is true, I predict in 2014 the rest will go into your salary.....this way UPS issues no more MIP (looks good to Wall Street) and if it pushes a lot of people over the new salary band max, this would mean salaries could be "frozen" for a lot of people if the bands are not immediately expanded (no matter how hard you work)....sounds like a "winner" for UPS...again just a rumor I hear kicked around
menotyou
bella amicizia
I hope you realize it isn't just management that is getting spanked.
Popeye
Well-Known Member
The part about making MIP smaller and salaries higher would be appealing. After all, it's a large part of our compensation that's variable. And it varies based on factors we can't even SEE much less have any control over. Over the past 7 years they've been tinkering with management compensation so many different ways it's like a shell game. They're banking on not many people being able to keep their eye on the shell with the marble under it. Hint: The shell with the marble under it is your W2. If it's not on there, it's not YOUR money.
UPS1907
Well-Known Member
The new salary bands have rocked my faith in UPS to the core. I'm 25+ year man being told I'm not going to get any raises for the next X years. I know how corporate America works but I never thought in a million years UPS would sell management out for the sake of the Teamster. (They still get raises and will in the future) Next year is a contract year and I could care less if UPS goes on strike to the point that they have to sell off every asset in the company. I can't emphasize how betrayed I feel by UPS. After this last generation leaves of 45 and up, UPS will have every thing they want from management, that is, if they want medicore results. I think they will have to start tracking management turnover for the 30 and under set. Let's see, 1/2 month gone, raises gone (for many) ...I guess the MIP is next. UPS treats their management with no respect and has no loyalty to any management person regardless of years. That begs the question, why should any management person have loyalty to UPS. Treat it like any other 9-5er, and I have a lawyer on hand if they unjustly try to fire you.
SignificantOwner
A Package Center Manager
Add another what?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Year.
menotyou
bella amicizia
I'm confused. Scotty is sitting on 5 beautiful big bills in the bank. Package drivers are going out with 30% more work than they did 5 years ago. WE get a 3% or so raise a year from a contract that was mutually agreed upon by both parties. How can you blame the teamsters because Scott is a tightwad and doesn't share the profits with management as his predecessors in the past did? Did the contract with the Teamsters have some hidden clause in there that negates any further management raises in loo of teamsters raises?
Have you done the math to find the target pay for your job. Based on a 45 hour work week the target for my job is $7.00 below a Drivers wage. I was promoted from a Driver over 20 years ago. I paid almost $3,000 for benefits last year. I don't have 30 and out. I buy my own clothes to work. You can all fill in more negatives.
I was told that the pay bands were started because no one wanted to be promoted. I'm thinking most people realize that they can't afford to take a promotion. UPS is the only company I know that equates a promotion to a cut in compensation.
UPS wants our pay to be equal to similar jobs in the industry. Have they looked at our work environment? Cinder block walls, desks made out of 2 draw filing cabinets, I share my office with many people, heat set very cold in winter and hot in summer, computer systems that were written in DOS, this list could also go on forever. The fact is there are not similar jobs out there. No other company disrespects their management more than UPS. Just listen to any Operation Conference Call.
I agree with many others. My compensation is good. But it's not more than the Teamster jobs and the responsibility is crazy. I fear for the company that I've given so much to help create. I think we just went down a very dark road.
I was told that the pay bands were started because no one wanted to be promoted. I'm thinking most people realize that they can't afford to take a promotion. UPS is the only company I know that equates a promotion to a cut in compensation.
UPS wants our pay to be equal to similar jobs in the industry. Have they looked at our work environment? Cinder block walls, desks made out of 2 draw filing cabinets, I share my office with many people, heat set very cold in winter and hot in summer, computer systems that were written in DOS, this list could also go on forever. The fact is there are not similar jobs out there. No other company disrespects their management more than UPS. Just listen to any Operation Conference Call.
I agree with many others. My compensation is good. But it's not more than the Teamster jobs and the responsibility is crazy. I fear for the company that I've given so much to help create. I think we just went down a very dark road.
browndawg1
Member
Hey UPS1907, Well said. I never dreamed I would feel this way about "our company". I remember having so much pride helping build this company. But now I feel like an administrative person that is being told what to do and how to do it. And my input is not wanted. And its not just the front line supervisor or Center Manager. I see many Division Managers that are treated like this as well. I am eligible to retire at 55 in four years which I plan to do. I predict that MIP will be manipulated so much it will be down to nothing and will probably be non-existent by the time I retire. I really feel for the young management folks. Their future will never be close to the experience and opportunities I got to have in the almost 30 years I have here. What separated us as the premier company in the past is now quickly fading away. It is very sad. I wonder if the UPS Management Committee really has the insight to see this or are they just fat, dumb and happy since their pay continues to grow at a much faster rate or in my case it will be no growth at all? I wonder if there is that much pressure by Wall Street to perform or is it UPS Board greed? It makes me sick in my stomach. I feel like my family has disowned me.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
The big misconception was that all the technology like PAS, Telamatics etc was designed solely for the purpose of hourly production. Ultimately the so called Center of the future wil exist without Supes and managers. Do I really need a full time Supe to do things an OMS can do at 1/4 the cost? Pushing paper and worrying about plus minus 15 compliance and asking people if they know DOKs? Driving 2 or 3 in a car following drivers? Punching changes to my DOL into a computer? I like my mgmnt team but the writing is on the wall.
half true. PAS was meant to deskill the preloader job. to apply the PAS label is a step that didn't exist previously, one in which belt speeds had to be slowed down in most places. so you could argue that PAS was a production killer. but again, it was implemented so that if a work stoppage were ever to occur again (which seems more and more unlikely), the knowledge it took to do the job wasn't requisite on being an experienced employee.
but to everyone's point, is it fair what the compensation committee is doing? no. but just make sure you vote your shares.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
...the result was then compared to a fly hitting a windshield...
like a tear falling into an ocean
curiousbrain
Well-Known Member
Or, one might even quote Blade Runner: like tears in the rain.
i have seen things you would not believe
OK, you are correct. My shares amount to nothing. All of our shares together are just a little bit more than nothing. However, I am not ready to give in now. If I were, I would be looking for another job outside of UPS. If someone has a better idea of how to have our voice heard, please let us all know.
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