A new cold war?
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BrownArmy
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In fact, you were responding to a post which related:
"I hate to bring this up, but what should GWB have done in the Russo-Georgian war, and how is this different?"
Hence my post - GWB actually didn't do anything different than Obama/GHWB/Eisenhower did in similar situations.
The poster wasn't fixated on Bush Jr., but was rather putting the current situation in historical context.
People still gnash their teeth about Bush Jr.
People still wring their hands about Clinton.
I guarantee sir, if, and certainly when, we have a new Republican President, the tables will move again and people will be gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands about Obama.
Take a quarter out of your pocket: heads, tails, no matter, it's still a quarter.
av8torntn
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That's certainly an interesting point of view. I've never seen anyone, other than you, equate GWB and Eisenhower but I'll take you at your word that was somehow the intention.
It would have been easier and made a better case for you if it was asked what would Eisenhower have done differently instead of using GWB as a synonym. I'll go out on a limb and say that it's probably a fairly uncommon use. Anyhow I now understand that anytime you use the term Obama it really means GWB.
wkmac
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Presidents IMO are not the all powerful we want to pretend they are. They are little more than,
av8torntn
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They could have, but I really don't think they did.
They could make a case to blame Stalin but I don't think that they did that either unless Eisenhower is code for Stalin now.
A case could be made to blame the turks.
A case could even be made to blame the socialists.
You can blame whomever/whatever you want but I don't think that placing blame will avert another cold war scenario do you?
av8torntn
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BrownArmy
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I'm actually not the one who brought Bush into the conversation, thanks.
I'm certainly not equating Obama with GWB on much of anything else, except for the conversation at hand.
Do you disagree with my assertion that, in this latest situation in Crimea, that three other Presidents have faced similar situations, and that in all four situations, they all decided it wasn't worth the hassle to deal with the Bears' 'transgressions'?
I'm not talking about Bush or Obama, I'm talking about History.
And, yes, I'm equating both Bushes, Obama, and Eisenhower: they all reacted in a similar fashion to Soviet Union/Russia maneuvers.
I'm not sure we are disagreeing.
av8torntn
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My position is that the former Soviet Union has been, and will continue to, take any opportunity expand their influence on the region. This is no way meant to be misunderstood that I think they are the only nation that tries to do that.
The valid question of the thread, in my mind, is will this lead to another cold war. If someone believes that this will lead to another cold war it only seems logical to believe that the current governments of the G whatever you want to call it today are complicit with their action/inaction.
My opinion is that the powers that be (on both sides) always need a bad guy to rally against and we seem to be heading down the road of dragging out an old one.
As an aside, I also believe that free trade would be the greatest benefit to a world economy and what is happening right now behind closed doors will only take us farther away and in my mind there is little doubt that a few well connected individuals will become very wealthy. It can be from oil, potash, arms or whatever else as the what never really matters.
I'm fairly confident that my opinion on this subject is unique in this thread.
BrownArmy
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I agree with everything in your post.
I would just add that Putin is going down a road that will estrange Russia from the very 'free-trade' economy that you speak of.
I also fear that all these sanctions from the West, with the inevitable reprisals from Russia, will only serve to destabilize our fragile 'New World Order'.
If this continues to play out, expect major disruptions in all sectors of the global economy.
It's a really dumb game of 'Chicken', and the world suffers.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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The sanctions appear to be working.
wkmac, is that Micheal Ruppert?
Okay, then. I have to ask you what other conspiracies you subscribe to. Bin Laden still alive? 9-11 inside job? Moon landing faked? Anything about MH370?
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