APWA - Is it a real alternative or a foolish choice?
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3brownstars
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APWA "YES" VOTE
18wheelbrownie
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now that the pension reform verdict is in , its time to take care of our future,
go apwa
go apwa
3brownstars
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Poor red, first of all you have no idea of other people's voting records so you shouldn't speak of them. Second, if you want to know why the APWA doesn't run against Mr. Hoffa you should attend an APWA meeting and ask your questions. Third, and last, when you resort to childish name calling you only show your true fear.
mightymouse
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the business first article was filled with lies. skillman withdrew from union way before changes to pension, ups member says you can not retire before 30 years and a certain age, which is not true, skillman lied about his own pension, pull his records, all of his pension proir to changes was frozen, he says he lost money, its a lie, he earned over $2400 a mth credit, says in article he lost $ and is down to the $2200, which is not true, how can anyone believe someone who lies about his own pension and lies about when he quit paying dues to the teamsters union
mightymouse
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If you have seen deal making first hand, what was the "deal"? Have you ever got someone's job back by representing them at a panel? What could have been done differently, with all of your experience?
rocket man
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APWA - Who do they have a contract with themselves? UPS is a very smart company and at this given time with the way the economy is they are not going to sign a contract with another union. But I am thinking of starting a union just like them. Our benefits will be Christmas day off, all other holidays we will work because people are home and we can get signatures. To make less paperwork, we will have no more grievances, no more worries about seniority and we will even give you one sick day a year and 10 hours at the free clinic for medical. My new union is trying to get DHL, all the Mexican truck drivers coming to California and FEDEX can't wait to join. The $7000 a month that we are promising our members for retirement will probably be up to $10,000 or $12,000 by the time we retire. Thank you and I hope you join.
ducky13swing
Active Member
When will you learn, it is not Empployees against the company. It is the company looking out for its Employees. I am also an employee of the company you all speak of. I may not be represented by the Teamsters, but I am still an Employee. I may not have 30 years in, more like 10, but I am still concerned about the future of the Employees of the company because I am one. I am concerned about the future of the company because when I retire, I want the company to continue to be prosperous. We all benefit from a strong company in the future. If you do not believe that, then ask the 10s of thousands of retirees from companies who are no longer in business due to various reasons. They all will say the same thing. "Thank God for UPS supporting their pension."
I have read the last two proposals for the last two contracts, in each of them the "company" was trying to buy out the pension plans for UPSers, and establish a Teamster/UPS pension plan. Contribited by UPS for the benefit of UPSers. Each time the Teamsters faught against it because they knew that if it were established, then they would be held accountable for mismanagement of the current pension plan. The "company" also offered a huge amount of money to buy out of the current plan, but the Teamsters said NO.
For those represented by the Teamsters, the time is now.
For those who say the "company" will not sign with another union, look how many unions are already at UPS. This is no secret. Of the following unions IAM, IPA, IBT. Whose pension is in the worst shape? Any guesses?
Don't stand by and watch YOUR future go to retirees of another company who is no longer in business.
If you are a die hard Teamster, then the time is now to stop complaining about your pension, and reap what you sow.
Competition is not always a bad thing. Fedex found their niche in a market that everyone said would never take off, (remember their slogan from the 70's, "When it absolutely, positively has to be there overnight," there are still people who use the phrase, "Fedex it"). Well now look who has capitalized on that one. Brought about by competition.
I have read the last two proposals for the last two contracts, in each of them the "company" was trying to buy out the pension plans for UPSers, and establish a Teamster/UPS pension plan. Contribited by UPS for the benefit of UPSers. Each time the Teamsters faught against it because they knew that if it were established, then they would be held accountable for mismanagement of the current pension plan. The "company" also offered a huge amount of money to buy out of the current plan, but the Teamsters said NO.
For those represented by the Teamsters, the time is now.
For those who say the "company" will not sign with another union, look how many unions are already at UPS. This is no secret. Of the following unions IAM, IPA, IBT. Whose pension is in the worst shape? Any guesses?
Don't stand by and watch YOUR future go to retirees of another company who is no longer in business.
If you are a die hard Teamster, then the time is now to stop complaining about your pension, and reap what you sow.
Competition is not always a bad thing. Fedex found their niche in a market that everyone said would never take off, (remember their slogan from the 70's, "When it absolutely, positively has to be there overnight," there are still people who use the phrase, "Fedex it"). Well now look who has capitalized on that one. Brought about by competition.
ezmoney5150
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Like we didn't know you were management. When you spout the UPS talking points word for word it's a dead giveaway. Not all of us are sheep.
UPS's contributions to the Central States Pension Fund is only 35%. Check with Central States. How is 35% supporting 65% do the math. Just because UPS says it doesn't make it true. Ultra rich people like Mike Eskew and his 6 figure executives have nothing in mind but making themselves richer. Number crunching does nothing for customer service. Remember Service? Thats what Center Managers on up do (for the most part) is number crunch. Customers don't care about numbers. Just pick their packages up on time, don't damage it and deliver it on time. Cutting six runs to make yourself look good on paper and maybe getting a better bonus is not the same as "the company is looking out for its employeees."
The Teamsters would be held accountable for the mismanagement of the Central States Pension Fund????? You can tell you've been with the company for 10 years. Did you know that UPS management are trustees on the Pension Board? So would you hold your own management accountable for this so called mismanagement?
5 Union Trustees 5 Employer Trustees Fred GegareHoward McDougallJerry YoungerArthur H. Bunte, Jr.George J. WestleyTom J. VenturaCharles A. WhobreyGary friend. CaldwellPhilip E. YoungChristopher J. Langan
I'm not complaining about the pension. Ups Mangement is. If the UPS company pension plan is so good then why did they give it to the UPS Freight employees with the disclaimer that the company reserves the right to disolve the pension plan at any time it sees fit. Sounds like they're looking out for its employees again. Or is it looking out for it's execs?
Please respond!!!!!!!
ezmoney5150
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upset, can you tell the diff. between unionism and socialism, I wonder if the IBT checks the financial well being and how well a company is run before they invite them to participate in OUR pension fund (I don't think so) or do you think that maybe they just try to increase their numbers at a high cost to us!!!! Just a thought.1
There are a lot of white paper contracts that are not in the Central States Pension fund. I hope that answers your question.
Braveheart
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Is that Nostradamus thing real? And could you send it to me or the web site i can find it at? What is the date of that Dec 2000 or Dec 2001? I hear there are two different opinions on the millenium year. Is the idiot George W. or my center manager?
I think you will be complaining when you goto retire and they(IBT)tell you that you can't because your pension is under funded.But they tell you not to worry keep on delievering packages and at age 65 we will have the funds.You talk about management what do you think the IBT is?Hate to break it to you.Nothing but a corporation and a mismanaged one at that!APWA all the way.
ezmoney5150
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I went to an APWA meeting not too long ago being the fly on the wall that I am. They lost the interest of the sheep when someone asked how the pension would be financed and for some specifics. It's easy just throw out the problems and not provide any solutions. They use the same talking points that UPS uses (coincidence?) that UPS is supporting the freight companies. UPS only pays 35%. Freight companies 35%. White papers 30%. If you take away 65% of the contributions how do you figure that UPSers can make more money?
Please enlighten me.
ezmoney5150
Well-Known Member
It's a hoax. But its still funny.
looking at percentages is misleading if UPS pays 35% and all other freight companies pay 35% who is paying more, the single company UPS, if the contribution went to one fund for UPS employees only then the UPS worker would have more pension because we would then get 100% of company contributions each week. at $200 per week we only get $80 put to our retirement and the other $120 goes to all other teamsters, if we got the full $200 each week we would have a pension comparable to the mechanics and yes they do have $10,000 per month to get when they retire, I have a copy from one of them that shows it,so yes the ibt is doing us very wrong, as far as I am concerned criminally wrong. It's time to take the stand and put them out, go with the APWA and let a new UPS only union take over, if you didn't have questions answered send me a private message and I will personally call Van Skillman or Danny Esaon and get the answer for you, or you can go to Parcelworkers - A NEW LOOK! WHAT MAKES THIS UNION LOOK DIFFERENT'' or apwa and get your answers plus the phone numbers are on there if you would like to call one of them
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