"Difficult for others?" Speak for yourself, don't bring any one else into it. Your the one that has the problem with it.
The Apples to Oranges statement I made is that we are in two intirely different job classifications. One being Pilots, and the other being Drivers in my case. The logistics explaination is a long stretch.
Getting a pension is a plus, and at what rate or percentage is also. Like I said, I'm in it for work rules and getting back at least what I had. Is Western States that bad off? I heard it was close to fully funded. (I don't know for sure)
As for the apwa, I've been to the website and read enough to know that its all about some one coming up short (about 3mos) of a revised pension payout in 2004. And I don't want to buy a T-shirt, give a donation, or pay $150 - $250 just to join an organization that has no membership or has no pension or medical as of yet. It sounds good on paper but you have to have members first before you can truly figure out what you will get.
That whole Revolutionary War analogy was poor, If that is what it was suppose to be. "WE" had to fight off? How old are you?
"MC equipment lettering the ovnt yards" Is this how you judge how a persons situation improves? What matters is what I take home with me at the end of the day. Let me explain it to you.
We were paid for all time at full hourly rate. Wait time:
* All wait time, no time given up to the company
* Layovers after 14 at full hourly rate + meal pay
* Any 2nd layover all hours in hotel on second stay and after
untill back at Domicile paid at full hourly rate.
* Winter delay, paid full hourly rate from first hour on
What we were paid for work time:
* Fuel was .25 hour
*Hook to a trlr .25 hour
*Hook a set .50 hour
*Hook Triples .75 hour
Hourly rate $19.10 hour Mileage rate .48cpm (this is what it was before intergration)
Even though the cpm is different and the hourly is also, we still aren't getting as much as we were before. Everything in the wait time column has been eliminated, and the work time has been cut in half. Now, before you say the pay is more on your side, do some calculations of what you would be making with the MC pay plan as opposed to what your paid now. Also at the time of intergration they took all layover runs but two (we had well over 40) and put shuttle runs and team runs in thier place. Also forced 22 drivers from their terminals to work out of the Fontana terminal 7 of which are from LAX. It's a heck of a drive in rush hour traffic.
So what was it you were saying about equipment?
"I asked you to help explain your posting style" That's funny, I never thought you asked me this, you just complained and asked me not to. Notice I walked a different path this time, Maybe this time you wont complain.
I said nothing about education level, re-read what I said. A clearer picture of you is developing, somewhere along the lines of you only see what you allow yourself to. Whether I post in an "articulate manner" or not is irrelevant, anybody that can understand english or "the Queens English" can understand what I'm writing. How come your having so much trouble with it?
"My time is worth more than that to me" That's why you responded to everything I posted. Insult away, It will just show your ignorance. It wont hurt me a bit.
You won't respond to my posts because I'll answer every question and statement that needs a response. But keep thinking it's because Nothing I post is factual, thoughtful, (whatever that's suppose to mean) or reasonably self explanatory. If you do or don't reply makes no difference to me.
Buckethead,
No, I don't see it as two different things, it is what it is Logistics. We as
the labor for the logistics have control over the movement of freight "if" we exercise our organizational rights. The Teamsters don't have the sole right or know how in that arena. So giving up, or otherwise being a nay sayer to the possibility that the APWA could do the job is foolish.
The relation to the situation faced by our founders, is similair. They had a standing government. They did not have a voice in the goverment. As it is within the IBT. Oh, you get lip service, get to cast a vote from time to time for a leader. But you can't effect real change. Just look at the TDU they have a reformist position and have been at it "from the inside" for sometime now and not making any head way. The situation ahead is difficult, so instead you gave up and sided with a organization that is living on borrowed time. Again as it was borrowed time for the British. Again the analogy was what it was. I am sorry if I went back to far for you.
As for getting a pension? I agree with you, it is a plus. Also as you said the level of funding for this WS fund is uncertain. Some say it is 100% others say it is not! WHY is it so difficult to learn about ones level of funding? Recently the WS cut benefit pay outs. Again why? The CS area is in bad shape, NE area is in rough shape. Out here UPS people are getting the retirements rescheduled. No more 30 and out, no more 55 yrs of age and out, it is now 62 before you can retire. It could be pushed back to 65 or 67? I'd say it would bother you as it has bothered many at all IBT
locations.
The pay schedule you once enjoyed wasn't bad. You guys living on the coast need a cost of living benefit. To help cover the high cost of living there. So yes to your idea that representation is needed to hammer out these issues.
What was I saying about MC equip? It is mainly the dollies, the trailers are fine other then the right side configuration on some. The dollies stink. To many varieties many not balanced for easy lifting etc.
Thanks. You have done a better job at articulating your position. As to asking you for help with your posts? Why not?
As for the time used wisely? That'll be of my choosing since it's mine to give. So yes currently my time is still spent wisely thanks.
As to the education level? You mentioned education level? You brought it into the topic, when commenting on your skills as they relate to your talents on the computer. As I said; your education level or skills set is of no interest. On any issue period.
Now for your view of this very important issue again, I believe you are not giving the APWA a fair shake.
As to the $150/225 fee? You don't need to pay it to join. As it has been covered in many post here at the cafe. Is a fee to your initiation into the APWA. Paying $150 up front helps provide funds to the effort. This can be collected once a facility is recognized as APWA also. The IBT has a similiar initiation program fee. Just yours will be more. Ask your IBT person. It'll come from your paycheck thru weekly deductions.
As to buying a shirt? It's a fund raiser item. An item one can use to show support. What is new about this practice? As is the "make a Donation" to the APWA? It is a direct way to support the effort. With no costs for a hat or shirt. Just more to the bottom line.
As to the medical or pension comments of yours. The pension is set, the frame work is in place, it'll be managed by UBS and New York Life, All members accounts can be accessed by the owner of that account (you) 24/7/365. Ask the IBT if you can see your funding of your account? Oh, wait you get a statement once a year and a "we promise you could get this amount "If" we don't change our mind" comment. Now that is a great program. Keep you in the dark and feed up crap. As to the medical plan, it comes from the employer, yes UPS pays for the medical by providing funds to the recognized bargaining agent of said employees. So as APWA gets recognized so come the funds for medical. The reason you'll get better medical with the APWA is simple. The APWA doesn't have retirees from companies that are belly up. Since these IBT retiree's get medical from the early retirements of years past and their medicare hasn't kicked in for them yet. So the IBT pays for this with some of your medical benefit dollars. While you get shafted with low quality benefits while working for a leading provider of worldwide logistics. That boasts 36 billion in rev. in every employment add. The companies that once employed these people no longer can provide funds.
What part of UPS for UPSers only don't you understand? If you are still unclear of the benefits and there relation to you then attend a APWA meeting and ask the President yourself.
Buckethead, you said; you signed a card for the IBT right? Where at?
See we at Overnite facilities already kicked them out once before and they don't have much support here maybe 12-15% on average at best.
As to your question as to my age? I'm in my forties and have a target retirement date of 2025. I am vested into the current UPSF non union pension.
I've been promised 1700 from the SSA. Do you think I'll see it? lol.
Well; it's been fun hope to hear back from you soon.
