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Can't we all just get along?
Call the corporate line.....I did
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"Try to imagine a world where whites are the ones being discriminated against..."
How can you even say that??? This IS a world where the white man IS the most disriminated against.
Hiring quotas. Do you know what that means? It means corporations HAVE to hire minorities even though a white man is more qualified for the job.
How 'bout layoffs? Well, we had to lay off the more qualified white man instead of the minority or we wouldn't have enough minorities.
How 'bout hate crimes? If a black man hits a white man, it's a fight. If a white man hits a black man, it's a hate crime. Only whites get charged with hate crimes, Why is that???
I know your defense will be to call me a racist for my blasphemy.
How can you even say that??? This IS a world where the white man IS the most disriminated against.
Hiring quotas. Do you know what that means? It means corporations HAVE to hire minorities even though a white man is more qualified for the job.
How 'bout layoffs? Well, we had to lay off the more qualified white man instead of the minority or we wouldn't have enough minorities.
How 'bout hate crimes? If a black man hits a white man, it's a fight. If a white man hits a black man, it's a hate crime. Only whites get charged with hate crimes, Why is that???
I know your defense will be to call me a racist for my blasphemy.
moreluck
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over9five.....you're not a racist.
What is with the Miss Black America Pageant?
If the Miss America Pageant was titled Miss White America, Al & Jesse would be beating a path to Atlantic city and tromping on the Donald and recombing that hair of his to the other side..
Miss America can be any color, religion etc. Miss Black America is what it is......
I don't get it.
As far as the best man for the job?? It should be the best man for the job no matter what the color.
OK, now I'm a racist!!
What is with the Miss Black America Pageant?
If the Miss America Pageant was titled Miss White America, Al & Jesse would be beating a path to Atlantic city and tromping on the Donald and recombing that hair of his to the other side..
Miss America can be any color, religion etc. Miss Black America is what it is......
I don't get it.
As far as the best man for the job?? It should be the best man for the job no matter what the color.
OK, now I'm a racist!!
Fighting4yourRights
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My defense is that you just don't have any data to back up your claims. It is a myth that unqualified Blacks, for example, are hired at greater rates than qualified White men. I find it a little sad that many continue to fight for the White man and forget all about White woman, among others.
It is important to keep in mind that many of these so called jobs are not so competitive that there remains not a single Black, Latino, Asian, Native American man or woman who could be nearly as qualified as a White man. Where is the logic that all White men are qualified and all People of Color are unqualified? The truth is many people are qualified for the same positions and it is illegal to continue to hire only White men to fill these positions. Before the Civil Rights Act of 1964, that's what organizations did - they hired White men.
It wasn't until this sweeping legislation opened the door for qualified minority applicants to enter the workforce. Judging by the cases still filed by the EEOC (see below), this legislation is still necessary.
Just for clarity, here is some real data obtained from the EEOC website regarding discrimination in our organizations:
Racial classification is a system to identify the demographics of individuals who systematically find themselves at such odds as being passed over for hiring, promotion, the assignment of highly visible tasks that can lead to advancement, etc. If you don’t believe me, check out the number of cases filed with the equal employment opportunity commission website. Last year alone, there were over 75K charges filed for discrimination based on either race, gender, national origin, religion, retaliation, age, disability and equal pay (http://eeoc.gov/). Also, check out the U.S. Department of Labor and see the discrepancy between the median pay for White workers and that of Black workers with the same level of education. In addition, check out the discrepancy in pay between men and women. Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where people were treated the same and we didn't have to monitor these things?
Finally, I am grateful for this thread and for open conversations about racial tensions. People have stopped confronting race in the workplace and it can lead to all types of dysfunctional interactions from apathy to violence. I think it is safe to keep voicing opinions and concerns but be open to other's perspectives...
Signed,
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Fighting4yourRights
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J. Morris Anderson first created and produced the Miss Black America Pageant on August 17, 1968, it was a local Philadelphia area pageant to protest the lack of black women in the Miss America pageant.
Some may forget, but not too long ago, Black men and women were considered ugly. They were not represented in all aspects of our society. During Jim Crowe and segregation, Black American's created their own systems of entertainment and pride. Many of these organizations are an outgrowth of having lived and survived a civilization of exclusion and racism.
Just imagine if Blacks enslaved us Whites for hundreds of years. And then they yelled and screamed at all our White pride and Affirmative Action plans trying to overturn some of the unjust wrongdoings of institutionalized racism. Doesn't knowing our countries history make it a little easier to understand why we have some of the systems we have in place today?
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blacknproud
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How about hiring the best man or woman for the job? Who give a ***** what color or what sex you are? The best and most qualified for the job WHO CARES ABOUT COLOR? I don't. I have many friends female, male, all colors and backgrounds....
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Back in the late seventies, I was the victim of racial discrimination. I was told to my face several times that I could not get the job I was applying for because of the color of my skin. It did not matter that I was better qualified for the job. Affirmative Action, fixing discrimination by discriminating against someone else.
As far as the original thread starting, exactly what kind of knot was tied in the trailer door pull down strap? Was the knot really a noose, or just a loop tied in the end of a rope? We used to make our own straps back when I drove a straight truck, sometimes it might be a loop or just an overhand knot.
I think that everyone has been discriminated against in one way or another.
As far as the original thread starting, exactly what kind of knot was tied in the trailer door pull down strap? Was the knot really a noose, or just a loop tied in the end of a rope? We used to make our own straps back when I drove a straight truck, sometimes it might be a loop or just an overhand knot.
I think that everyone has been discriminated against in one way or another.
Fighting4yourRights
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Okay, sorry. I never intended to say that the chatters on the browncafe were slave owners....
My bad, instead:
Just imagine that you lived in a country where your ancestors (White men and women) were enslaved by Black ancestors. Let's pretend that our groups had the same history we do today but just that our roles were reversed...
Now put yourself in the shoes of a Black person who works for UPS reading this forum with all the people yelling that they are not qualified, afforded special privileges, etc.
It's sometimes helpful to understand a situation when you put yourself in the shoes of the people you seem to be so upset with...
rod
Retired 23 years
Out of 44 drivers in our center only 1 is black. All the white drivers make over $28 an hour, but the poor black guy(because he is black) only makes $19 an hour and gets no benefits. His truck is never washed and is in the back of the building. He gets no vacation days and is often forced to work off the clock. Our white mechanic refuses to fix his truck when its written up, saying "Ill get to it when I can". Yeah, stuff like this goes on all the time because of racism. Of course Im being sarcastic, but we need to stop being so hyper-sensitive about race. Athena, Adverse Impact is a term invented by the govt. as a way to reverse discriminate against whites.
toeknee2gx
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Only whites get charged with hate crimes???
get your facts straight and stop posting your feelings.....:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21943
Blacks arrested more
for 'hate crimes':
FBI report confirms higher rate than whites for racial attacks
Fighting4yourRights
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I'm not sure anyone on this forum has any idea what the knot looked like. I will tell you, however, that a noose is a very distinct knot. It is a symbol of terrorism used to intimidate and strike fear in its intended targets. A noose is a symbol of hatred used to lynch Blacks in the old south for many years. The noose is particularly disturbing in the sense that Whites would sometimes gather for a picnic and social hour which ended by the hanging of a Black person in the old south (there are several pictures taken of Whites gathered around a dead body). The noose now sends a message to a person, and then a group of persons, that they are not wanted.
Reactions to a noose are typically fear for ones safety among other psychological and physical ailments. Finally, a noose is a particularly cowardly symbol in the sense that the creator of the noose wants to remain invisible and it appears the message comes from a group of people. As a result, the Black workers may fear all of the White workers.
The use of nooses to intimidate minority workers is on the rise and the EEOC now has a special office that tracks the occurrence's of nooses. Georgia tops the list of noose findings. http://www.eeoc.gov/press/7-13-00-b.html
athena
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No it is not. Adverse impact alone is not enough of a reason for an employer to get into trouble for having too few minorities in a job. In fact, an employer would be just as liable for choosing unqualified or underqualified minority group individuals over majority group individuals. Adverse impact is simply a numerical calculation to see if there is potentially discriminatory practices in a company.
There are many, many regulations, precendents set by court cases, scientific research, and so on that go into deciding what is legal and illegal. Trust me, companies can not just hire someone who is a minority because he/she is a minority. They must have valid selection procedures regardless of the demographic mix of a company.
If fact, companies have been held responsible when they took the easy route and based hiring decisions on race alone. It isn't ever okay to use race as the sole basis for hiring/promotion decisions.
athena
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First, selection procedures are never perfect at predicting future performance. So, lets say a majority group member has a score on a selection test of 97 and a minority group member has a score of 95. The scores for the test are entered into an equation and the predicted future performance for the majority group member is 95 (out of 100) and for the minority group member it is 93 (out of 100).
Lets say this predicted performance score means that the majority group member will perform sucessfully as a manager 95% of the time while the minority group member will perform successfully 94% of the time. The problem with this prediction is it is not perfect. Lets say that the error in the prediction is + or - 2 percentage points. That means that potentially, the majority group member will perform successfully somewhere between 93-97% of the time while the minority group member will potentially perform successfully 92-96% of the time. These individuals would be expected to be equally successful.
While it may seem worth it to chose the person with the higher score, the amount of error in the prediction leaves something to be desired in the predicted performance. Diversity in organizations has been shown to be very beneficial and it is expected that both individuals would perform equally well. The company would be justified in selecting the minority group member to increase diversity. It is not reverse discrimination and it is important to note demographic characteristics, it is a well thought out business plan.
athena
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Refer to my response to BLACKNPROUD for an example of how things are suppose to work when making these decisions.
Actually for 2006, while whites have a higher percentage for hate crime offenders, they are not the only ones charged with hate crimes. The FBI website shows 58.6% of offenders are white, 20.6% are black, 5.7% were groups made up of more than one race, 1% was Asian/Pacific Islander and 1% was American Indian/Alaskan Native with an additional 12.9% unknown offenders.
Just a side note, not all the victims were black. 21% of the victims were victims b/c of anti-white bias.
FBI website
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/index.html
I will not call you a racist. In fact, it seems you have a problem with the system not the people. I hope this is true.
athena
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tieguy
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I am not going to defend every person out there who is making speeches about racism. I never said that there weren't individuals out there that didn't take it too far. However, I get the impression that you would just rather we all ignore it. Some have been trying to do that for decades. It doesn't work and it is unethical. Try to imagine a world where whites are the ones being discriminated against and then tell me that your tune wouldn't change just a bit.
I don't think my tune needs to change. I will fully support and agree with your intentions on this issue even when I disagree with the merits of an individual case. When politics are involved I become suspicious. MLK was a terrific leader who proactively drove the issue of equality. Jesse jackson has been a poor successor looking for opportunities to shove his face back in the limelight. Many of your white liberal politician have historys that reek of oppression but suddenly as they get into politics they learn to love the man or women of color.
Fighting4yourRights
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Your words get me a little hot, you know...down there....
Athena, what in the hell does this mean? Are you coming onto me? Let's keep it clean, sister.
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