UPS Lifer
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LOL! You slay me!
Cancun, Mexico
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LOL! You slay me!
soberups
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If you get murdered, you are dead.
It doesnt really matter whether you got shot, or stabbed, or clubbed, or beaten to death with a burrito or a bottle of maple syrup. The outcome is the same; the weapon used is irrelevant.
Using relevant statistics...the actual murder rate, irrespective of weapon choice....Mexico is #6 and the USA is #24.
This is the number that gives you your statistical probability of not being killed.
Interestly enough, Mexico still has a higher gun crime rate even though Mexican gun laws are far stricter than those in the USA...or even Canada for that matter. Perhaps the gun laws that disarm only the law-abiding arent working as well as their authors dreamed that they would.
klein
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Actually, not true. Mexcans are allowed to buy and own hanguns, but can only keep them at home (as home protection).
In Canada, the use, ownership, or purchase of handguns is totally prohibited.
soberups
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Not true. I know you are from there but your facts are simply wrong.
There are three classes of firearms and firearm licences: non-restricted, restricted and prohibited. Prohibited firearms are not actually prohibited, they simply require a prohibited licence to obtain. New prohibited licences are available only at the discretion of the Chief Firearms Officer of a province or the Federal Government of Canada.
- Non-restricted licences allow a person to own and use most semi-automatic and manual action rifles and shotguns, but no handguns. Rifles and shotguns that do not meet length requirements are classed as restricted. Some rifles and shotguns are classed as restricted by name.
- Restricted licences allow a person to own most handguns and some restricted semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. Handguns with barrels 105 mm or shorter are classed as prohibited. Some handguns are classed as prohibited by name.
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soberups
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Not really.
Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution does give Mexicans a theoretical right to keep handguns in their homes....but the wording also gives the government the unlimited ability to restrict that right to the point that it is worthless.
Article 10: The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have a right to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of arms prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and National Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.
The reality.... is that guns of greater than.380 caliber are totally forbidden, and the the combination of licensing requirments, corruption, and a goverment monopoly on the sale of guns and ammunition (there is only one gun shop in the entire country) has net effect of making gun ownership virtually impossible for anyone except the wealthy and well-connected. And, of course, criminals.
You have every right to dislike guns Klein...but if you are going to post facts to support your position, please make sure those facts are accurate.
klein
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My argument was, they are more lienent then Canada, where handguns are forbidden !
And the following will show, thier law is stupid, since they can resell the guns they purchase legally. :
Generally, citizens are restricted by law to:
- pistolas (handguns) of .380 auto or .38 Special revolvers or smaller in either case,
- escopetas (shotguns) of 12 gauge or smaller, with barrels longer than 25 inches, and
- rifles (rifles) bolt action and semi-auto.
Examples of firearms that are legal for citizens to own include .380 ACP pistols (such as the Glock 25); .38 Special revolvers, 12 gauge shotguns (no short-barreled shotguns are allowed) and rifles in any caliber up to .30 caliber.
Permits for the transportation and use of such non-military caliber firearms are issued for one year terms by SEDENA (Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional) and may be applied for up to 10 firearms, total, for each designated and planned use that is legally authorized. These uses may include hunting or shooting at a club or national competition. Permits are very easy to obtain, but may be only obtained by citizens belonging to a shooting club.
There is only one legally authorized retail outlet in Mexico City: UCAM (Unidad de Comercialización de Armamento y Municiones), run by the Army and able to sell firearms. It is owned by, and is part of, the government. Although there is no legal limit on how many firearms an individual can own, once any individual has purchased ten firearms from the only retail governmental outlet, he cannot get a permit to buy any more. However, private party sales are legal and are largely uncontrolled, and wealthy gun-collecting citizens thus can legally buy more firearms from other private owners.
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klein
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You can own rifles (for hunting).
Handguns are totally forbidden.
There are fewer then 5 Canadians in the total country that have a legal temporary personal handgun. But, they are under witness protection, or some other major threat.
Ofcourse, illegally (the criminals and gangs), have some.
Major, major fines getting caught with 1, with jail time.
Just curious. Are there no security guards in Canada? I'd be willing to bet that your elite can get handguns, but even if they can't they can probably hire armed security. Or not?
I'm just saying, us commoners could afford a handgun.... but certainly not an armed security guard. Is that how the Canadian elite take care of themselves?
I'm just saying, us commoners could afford a handgun.... but certainly not an armed security guard. Is that how the Canadian elite take care of themselves?
klein
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Thats differernt.... brinks etc.... ofcourse they have guns... not personal ones.
Some jobs do require guns.
There was an argument just this year, about border guards (USA-Canada border), receiving them.
They are finally going to be armed.
But it made a huge uproar on indian property, in Ontario I believe.
Where they had to shut down the border for weeks, because the indians were against them being armed.
But, unlike the USA, shop owners, even the most expensive jewelery store owners, can't have a handgun.
They can hire a brinks guard. Thats about it.
But, in a normal jewelery store, they are totally unprotected. Besides the panick alarm buttons.
Kinda like your banks.. they aren't armed, but some might have security on hand.
klein
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The Canadian Elite group plays tomorrow, against the USA, for the junior worldcup Goldmedal , tomorrow !
soberups
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Klein,
You facts are totally incorrect.
Handguns are legal in Canada, and available for anyone who takes the time to acquire a license.
You are confusing handgun ownership...which is legal.... with concealed carry, which is not legal.
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Handgun registration has been required since 1934, with possession of handguns limited to collectors, target shooters and those who can demonstrate a need of guns to protect their lives.
Are Canada's gun laws effective? Here are some figures from the Canadian Firearms Centre:
You facts are totally incorrect.
Handguns are legal in Canada, and available for anyone who takes the time to acquire a license.
You are confusing handgun ownership...which is legal.... with concealed carry, which is not legal.
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Handgun registration has been required since 1934, with possession of handguns limited to collectors, target shooters and those who can demonstrate a need of guns to protect their lives.
Are Canada's gun laws effective? Here are some figures from the Canadian Firearms Centre:
- There are an estimated 7.4 million firearms in Canada, about 1.2 million of which are restricted firearms (mostly handguns). In the U.S., there are approximately 222 million firearms; 76 million of the firearms in circulation are handguns
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
There are over 1 million legal, privately owned handguns in Canada.
This is approximately 1 handgun per 31 citizens.
This is a far higher rate of handgun ownership than you find in American cities such as Chicago and Washington DC, where handguns been banned for decades (although the recent Supreme Court ruling held the Washington DC ban to be unconstitutional.)
Interestlingly enough, these supposedly "gun free" cities have gun crime rates far higher than in states like Vermont and Alaska where gun ownership is unrestricted and where citizens are free to carry concealed handguns without any permit whatsoever.
dilligaf
IN VINO VERITAS
He just never gives up, does he?
