Christianity

[BrownFlush]

This is wonderful I’ll cut out the stupid rhetorical questions since you have decided to back track and correct your mistakes.

Now prove the choice they have over their nature; their neurology mostly and their nurture their upbringing.

Show me where there is room for choice in any of this and how free will truly exists in this (you admitted it) handicapped “choice” of options.

You argue and always have that those factors, nature, neurology, nurture, environment,... the result is no choice.
My argument is and has been that those factors can and do make the correct choice more difficult or easier. It's still a choice.
Also, woven into your reasoning is there is no absolute wrong or right on certain issues. No choice means exactly that. No right or wrong for the choice.

 

[BrownFlush]

Not sure of your point?

Looks like fat man chose fat.
Instead of looking at it as the wrong choice, he chose to make light of a bad decision. Funny .

 

[Integrity]

I just mean reality in general. I prefer naturalist explanations based on sound logic and evidence.

I do not see these things in arguments for free will and god, only a reliance on our lack to reliably completely dismiss these based on those things.

It is hard to explain away some of the horrible things that happen in this world, things like childhood cancers and such, as well as harmful horrific things that humans do to each other, and in a more subtle way the crappy way humans can treat each other in general. Some of that can be exhibited here on the BC.

I have been through much but I still believe that regardless of what goes on in creation I do believe in a Creator God and I do believe no matter what a mess we make of His creation, even ourselves, that He still loves each and everyone of us beyond measure and no matter what.

 

[Integrity]

You argue and always have that those factors, nature, neurology, nurture, environment,... the result is no choice.
My argument is and has been that those factors can and do make the correct choice more difficult or easier. It's still a choice.
Also, woven into your reasoning is there is no absolute wrong or right on certain issues. No choice means exactly that. No right or wrong for the choice.

Not everything is a choice.

 

[Integrity]

Looks like fat man chose fat.
Instead of looking at it as the wrong choice, he chose to make light of a bad decision. Funny .

You don’t believe binge or compulsive eating is a mental illness or disorder?

 

[BrownFlush]

Not everything is a choice.

Besides conception and death, name some.
You may be left with no choice because of the result of someone else's choices or you own.

 

[BrownFlush]

You don’t believe binge or compulsive eating is a mental illness or disorder?

No doubt about it.

 

[BrownFlush]

You don’t believe binge or compulsive eating is a mental illness or disorder?

Was there a time before the line was crossed into addiction, that there was a choice?
Bad choices puts you in places where you don't want to be.

 

[Integrity]

Was there a time before the line was crossed into addiction, that there was a choice?
Bad choices puts you in places where you don't want to be.

No doubt.

 

[BrownFlush]

No doubt.

Well, your attempt to take choice out of a situation has ended. No?

 

[El Correcto]

It is hard to explain away some of the horrible things that happen in this world, things like childhood cancers and such, as well as harmful horrific things that humans do to each other, and in a more subtle way the crappy way humans can treat each other in general. Some of that can be exhibited here on the BC.

I have been through much but I still believe that regardless of what goes on in creation I do believe in a Creator God and I do believe no matter what a mess we make of His creation, even ourselves, that He still loves each and everyone of us beyond measure and no matter what.

I don’t believe you been through if I’m being honest.

You argue and always have that those factors, nature, neurology, nurture, environment,... the result is no choice.
My argument is and has been that those factors can and do make the correct choice more difficult or easier. It's still a choice.

Yes I am not stupid I understand the premise, now elaborate.

Also, woven into your reasoning is there is no absolute wrong or right on certain issues.

This is incorrect, but please focus on the original point instead of baseless personal insult.

No choice means exactly that. No right or wrong for the choice.

This is also incorrect but more on point, we can discuss this but please discuss your original point more first.

 

[El Correcto]

It is hard to explain away some of the horrible things that happen in this world, things like childhood cancers and such, as well as harmful horrific things that humans do to each other, and in a more subtle way the crappy way humans can treat each other in general. Some of that can be exhibited here on the BC.

I have been through much but I still believe that regardless of what goes on in creation I do believe in a Creator God and I do believe no matter what a mess we make of His creation, even ourselves, that He still loves each and everyone of us beyond measure and no matter what.

I apologize that was short and narcissistic of me to say you haven’t been through to dismiss your argument.

I’m just saying if you view the lives of earlier people and our current life, our level of suffering is no where near theirs.

 

[vantexan]

I don’t believe you been through if I’m being honest.

Wow.

 

[BrownFlush]

Yes I am not stupid

I don't know.

now elaborate.

What's not clear to you?

This is incorrect,

Which part do you disagree with?

focus on the original point instead of baseless personal insult.

Well said.
Disagreeing is not an insult.

This is also incorrect

Why so?

we can discuss this

The past refutes this.

 

[Integrity]

Well, your attempt to take choice out of a situation has ended. No?

No. There are limitations to human choice.

 

[Integrity]

I apologize that was short and narcissistic of me to say you haven’t been through to dismiss your argument.

I’m just saying if you view the lives of earlier people and our current life, our level of suffering is no where near theirs.

No worries.

Life can be hard. I try to identity with people not compare.

I had my share of struggles.

Had a complete transformation and turnaround 33 years ago.

 

[El Correcto]

I don't know.

Another insult but that’s okay.

What's not clear to you?

Your evidence of free will to choose between the options you admit are limited.

Which part do you disagree with?

Even without choice there are bad lives and good lives. There are people that suffer significantly more than others.

 

[BrownFlush]

Even without choice there are bad lives and good lives.

This statement makes no sense.
Good and bad are a direct result of the choices you or others have made.

There are people that suffer significantly more than others.

Not news.

 

[BrownFlush]

No. There are limitations to human choice.

Explain.

 

[Integrity]

This statement makes no sense.
Good and bad are a direct result of the choices you or others have made.

Not always.

Not news.