Climate change again

[DriveInDriveOut]

It's also true China is making large investments in solar and other alternative energy sources and beginning to move away from coal.

No, they're stealing American technology, using their communist government to subsidize mass production of it, and dumping it into the market so the US companies that developed it can't make any money on it. All the meanwhile fueling their economy with cheap coal power.

They're laughing their assess off at ignorant liberals like you.

Luckily Trump is at least trying to stop their nonsense that commies like you support.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

No, they're stealing American technology, using their communist government to subsidize mass production of it, and dumping it into the market so the US companies that developed it can't make any money on it. All the meanwhile fueling their economy with cheap coal power.

They're laughing their assess off at ignorant liberals like you.

Luckily Trump is at least trying to stop their nonsense that commies like you support.

The Chinese have a word for people like that:

Baizuo - Wikipedia

 

[Non sequitur]

Guarantee it will be Western technology that solves the pollution/energy paradigm.

 

[vantexan]

Again, you simply lie. While it's true China is a massive polluter, any efforts on their part to reduce pollution are a positive advance. It's also true China is making large investments in solar and other alternative energy sources and beginning to move away from coal.

When we backed out, it signaled the rest of the world that the USA was crapping all over any intentions it had to improve the environment. Trump's wholesale slashing of environmental regulations and rolling back fuel economy standards put a big, black stamp on that signal that we don't care...at all. Trump is an ignorant mess that only cares about profits, not long term costs. So are his ignorant followers.

The Paris Agreement was always more of a pledge than hard and fast "law". But you don't get that. All you want to do is keep spewing pollution and do nothing about it, so the 1% can continue to rake in profit.

Good stooge boy, good boy.

Only you would downplay China's horrendous environmental record and make it sound like the U.S. is much worse.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Only you would downplay China's horrendous environmental record and make it sound like the U.S. is much worse.

Xi Jinping is to him as he thinks Trump is to everyone he disagrees with.

 

[MrFedEx]

Only you would downplay China's horrendous environmental record and make it sound like the U.S. is much worse.

Word twisting, again. China does have a horrendous environmental record, but they are making strides. We, on the other hand, are going backwards.

Don't effing use my words to fit your screwed-up narrative.

 

[vantexan]

Word twisting, again. China does have a horrendous environmental record, but they are making strides. We, on the other hand, are going backwards.

Don't effing use my words to fit your screwed-up narrative.

We aren't going backwards, only undoing the excesses the Obama administration implemented to please the fanatics. We are so far ahead of China in environmental protection that they aren't even in sight.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Actually they cut off the rare earth, so the US is reopening mines, and we have the state of the art facilities to deal with the waste products of refinement. China just dumps theirs in a lake.

Their lake glows at night ... at least they got that!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Their lake glows at night ... at least they got that!

And teeth and hair falling out. But It's only the unimportant country dwellers, so no big deal.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

And teeth and hair falling out. But It's only the unimportant country dwellers, so no big deal.

Just like the LibTurds in the Big Cities think.
friendkem'!

 

[MrFedEx]

We aren't going backwards, only undoing the excesses the Obama administration implemented to please the fanatics. We are so far ahead of China in environmental protection that they aren't even in sight.

Excesses? Like allowing drilling in national parks? We we are definitely going backwards IF you have a brain and think environmentally.

We are going forward if all you care about is profits and propping up big corporations and big money players.

 

[MrFedEx]

Its Settled Science

... isn't it?

Remember Big Tobacco and "settled science"? This is the exact term they used to employ when they would say there was "no settled science that smoking causes cancer". They'd hire lobbyists and lawyers and ex-football stars who would all say the same thing...."no proof".

So, people kept smoking and getting lung cancer and emphysema and dying because they believed the lies from the politicians from tobacco states, Big Tobacco, and the fringe scientists who could be bought-off to provide phony, flawed "studies" that could never seem to find a link between smoking and illness.

Meanwhile, internal corporate documents show that Big Tobacco had known for years that smoking was both addictive and a killer. All of them knew full well what their products did and had known for decades.

Same tactics, different subject. The "merchants of doubt" are still hard at work.

 

[MrFedEx]

Cite your facts, don't just regurgitate claims by the Left.

97% of scientists, sir. That's all you need to know. People a lot smarter than both of us, with piles of data and evidence to back-up their findings.

Your "studies" are a joke, and usually straight out of somewhere like Hillsdale College or the Kato Institute. Known, Right Wing dispensers of half-truths.

 

[vantexan]

97% of scientists, sir. That's all you need to know. People a lot smarter than both of us, with piles of data and evidence to back-up their findings.

Your "studies" are a joke, and usually straight out of somewhere like Hillsdale College or the Kato Institute. Known, Right Wing dispensers of half-truths.

A lot of those scientists are included in that 97% whether they've acknowledged agreement or not. Already a known fact that some prominent climatologists were caught changing report stats because the numbers they came up with didn't fit the forecasts.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

A lot of those scientists are included in that 97% whether they've acknowledged agreement or not. Already a known fact that some prominent climatologists were caught changing report stats because the numbers they came up with didn't fit the forecasts.

The 97% is an absolute sham. It's completely devoid of any meaning whatsoever. And climategate is downplayed so hard, none of the true climate change believers think it actually ever happened.

 

[Fred's Myth]

The 97% is an absolute sham. It's completely devoid of any meaning whatsoever. And climategate is downplayed so hard, none of the true climate change believers think it actually ever happened.

But the 97% sham is the underpinning for the climate disaster suckers argument.

It's much harder to hyperventilate without that number!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

But the 97% sham is the underpinning for the climate disaster suckers argument.

It's much harder to hyperventilate without that number!

They refuse to believe where that number comes from, but can't explain it either. Some actually think 97% of all scientist, in every discipline, think that humans are the cause of climate change, and that said climate change will destroy the earth. Climatology is about on par with scientology at this point.

 

[MrFedEx]

A lot of those scientists are included in that 97% whether they've acknowledged agreement or not. Already a known fact that some prominent climatologists were caught changing report stats because the numbers they came up with didn't fit the forecasts.

Wrong...again.

 

[MrFedEx]

The 97% is an absolute sham. It's completely devoid of any meaning whatsoever. And climategate is downplayed so hard, none of the true climate change believers think it actually ever happened.

Is climate change real, Z?

 

[vantexan]

Excesses? Like allowing drilling in national parks? We we are definitely going backwards IF you have a brain and think environmentally.

We are going forward if all you care about is profits and propping up big corporations and big money players.

Tell me something, is the pollution that every day Chinese experience comparable to oil drilling in national parks? And currently there are only some drilling in private land that are within national park borders. And drilling today is much more refined than decades ago. But it doesn't come close to the air pollution in China that's in pretty much all their major cities.