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[rickyb]

I'm still on the fence about the death penalty. Without the threat of it a lot more innocent people are bound to end up dead, but it still is the state taking the place of ultimate moral authority.

In the case of babies, they have only done one thing, and that is come into existence through the actions of others. Not exactly a crime worthy of death.

semen are alive and they die too.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

you dont need a death penalty to keep innocent ppl safe.

i doubt jails even work id have to look up this interview hedges did with this violence guy again. i saw violence guy in zeitgeist documentary

I'm pretty sure murder rates are lower in states with the death penalty.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

semen are alive and they die too.

Difference is that sperm die if they are left alone unless they fertilize an egg, in which case they kinda die while becoming a baby that will continue living if left alone.

 

[rickyb]

I'm pretty sure murder rates are lower in states with the death penalty.

im thinking about murder rates in EU vs here.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

im thinking about murder rates in EU vs here.

Historically, EU country governments have murdered way more people that citizens here have. Guillotines helped with that for a while in France.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Historically, EU country governments have murdered way more people that citizens here have. Guillotines helped with that for a while in France.

And, of course, the hangings at Nuremburg.

 

[rickyb]

Historically, EU country governments have murdered way more people that citizens here have. Guillotines helped with that for a while in France.

talking about the present but thats interesting to know.

 

[vantexan]

well apparently ppl do. im not familiar with the argument i just know where most of my guys stand on it. ill look up harriet fraad and then quote what she says. if you pull out, thats anti life. if you go to war its anti life.

death penalty is a much more clear cut case than abortions in my eyes.

Over 63,000,000 babies were executed since 1973. How many people convicted of heinous crimes were executed in the same time period?

 

[rickyb]

Over 63,000,000 babies were executed since 1973. How many people convicted of heinous crimes were executed in the same time period?

go watch fox news and eat it

 

[newfie]

I'm still on the fence about the death penalty. Without the threat of it a lot more innocent people are bound to end up dead, but it still is the state taking the place of ultimate moral authority.

In the case of babies, they have only done one thing, and that is come into existence through the actions of others. Not exactly a crime worthy of death.

something tells me we've fried a lot of innocent people.

 

[vantexan]

go watch fox news and eat it

How many prisoners convicted of heinous crimes were executed since 1973?

 

[rickyb]

How many prisoners convicted of heinous crimes were executed since 1973?

heres a better question, when did they expand death penalty crimes

and to answer yours too many, you shouldnt have a death penalty

 

[vantexan]

something tells me we've fried a lot of innocent people.

I'm perfectly willing to let those on death row stay in solitary confinement with no tv or other entertainment. If they're innocent they'll have the chance to prove it.

 

[vantexan]

heres a better question, when did they expand death penalty crimes

and to answer yours too many, you shouldnt have a death penalty

But you're ok with the number of people killed by death row inmates? And you have a bigger problem with killing murderers than killing innocent babies?

 

[rickyb]

I'm perfectly willing to let those on death row stay in solitary confinement with no tv or other entertainment. If they're innocent they'll have the chance to prove it.

over 95% of cases in america are plea deals

 

[rickyb]

But you're ok with the number of people killed by death row inmates? And you have a bigger problem with killing murderers than killing innocent babies?

no and that has nothing to do with the death penalty

 

[vantexan]

over 95% of cases in america are plea deals

Do people plea their way out of capital murder charges?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

something tells me we've fried a lot of innocent people.

Entirely possible. Another good point against.

 

[vantexan]

no and that has nothing to do with the death penalty

Why do you think they received the death penalty?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

talking about the present but thats interesting to know.

Well, they are starting a freezing and starving campaign against the people as we speak. Wonder how many died as a result of covid response. Estimates are 20X more than were supposedly saved.