Yeah, but did he fight for the culture we all cut our teeth on, or did he sacrifice it? 99% of a non-management UPSER's frustration comes from the disillusionment in upper management's perceived incompetence and disloyalty to our traditions. We want to respect and revere our leaders, in case you haven't noticed most people's respect for Casey's legacy, but RESPECT IS EARNED, and it has not been easy to respect our leadership in the last 10 years. Hopefully all of your family's sacrifice was worth it, beyond your financial gains. Personally, I chose to leave the mgmt ranks in order to proudly wear the shield and browns. I know what hard work is, too, as do all the other honest UPSERs.