Dishonesty, falsifying of records

[DumbTruckDriver]

100+ for more than 4+ months straight is hardly tolerable. When it can hit 120 and not drop below 100 at night its literally is hell on earth. Dry heat is still friend* heat.

Oh, no doubt it's hot. I'd still take 120 in Yuma over 105 in humid Texas.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Oh, no doubt it's hot. I'd still take 120 in Yuma over 105 in humid Texas.

I'd take neither.

 

[soberups]

I was told a few years ago to record a misload as no such number in order to hide a missed package.
Not only did I refuse to do so, but I also filed an Article 37 grievance for coercion.
I was never been told to falsify a record again.

 

[reginald95]

I was told a few years ago to record a misload as no such number in order to hide a missed package.
Not only did I refuse to do so, but I also filed an Article 37 grievance for coercion.
I was never been told to falsify a record again.

You have to work as directed. You could have been fired for not doing so.

 

[cosmo1]

You have to work as directed. You could have been fired for not doing so.

Nope.

You can't be forced to do anything illegal or unethical.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You have to work as directed. You could have been fired for not doing so.

25+ year drivers tend to have a little more pull than a newbie.

 

[soberups]

You have to work as directed. You could have been fired for not doing so.

There are 7 things you can be terminated for in the Western Conference without first going through progressive discipline (warning letter, suspension etc). They include theft, dishonesty, drunk on duty, posession of narcotics, unauthorized passengers, unprovoked assault and malicious destruction of company property. Refusing to falsify a delivery record is not one of those things.

 

[soberups]

25+ year drivers tend to have a little more pull than a newbie.

It has more to do with contractual knowledge and a strong Local than with years of service. The contract applies whether you have 25+ years or one day of seniority.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It has more to do with contractual knowledge and a strong Local than with years of service. The contract applies whether you have 25+ years or one day of seniority.

True but you have to admit that we get a bit more leeway.

 

[olroadbeech]

only kiss-asses get a little more leeway.

 

[burrheadd]

only kiss-asses get a little more leeway.

You tell it girl!!!

 

[wayfair]

only kiss-asses get a little more leeway.

That's how you got your 50 years at UPS!!!

 

[soberups]

True but you have to admit that we get a bit more leeway.

In terms of getting terminated I would say we actually get less. Do the math. Firing a 25+ year man and replacing him with a new hire starting 4 years of progression saves the company at least $15,000 the first year alone. Factor in the higher probability of comp claims being filed by a 50 year old versus a 23 year old and the savings are even greater.

 

[stangwithnos06]

Where in the national master agreement do I find literature on contract wording on dishonestly and falsifying records? I've looked all through it and can only find in the supplemental agreement article 17 (a) and that doesn't give the contract definition of dishonesty.


Okay I just found contract wording for dishonesty. national master agreement article 6 section 6. when an act of dishonesty is made with the intent to defraud UPS or one of its customers', or words to that effect.

 

[stangwithnos06]

Where is falsification of records in the union book?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Where is falsification of records in the union book?

Falls under dishonesty.

 

[stangwithnos06]

Where do I find SECTION 2 - S.W.P.R. "The first offense of signing for a package where dishonesty is not proven, will not result in discharge or suspension. The second such offense shall be cause for immediate discharge.

I just wanna see it. Curious as to why its not in the national master agreement. Very interesting how it's only in select states.