DOGE h-1b maga controversy

[Mutineer]

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Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw:

Dear Jesus,
Please save me from your followers.

 

[542thruNthru]

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and the prom queen.

Don't know if it's been posted yet but.

The Rock! Love it! We need to hang out! Lol

 

[vantexan]

Why are you always making crap up instead of actually responding to what I posted?

Pathetic.

You don't get the joke? Musk is an African--American?

 

[vantexan]

Musk is rich enough to do whatever he wants. He doesn't need a stinking visa. If a dirt poor illegal illiterate Mexican immigrant can eventually become legal here, so could Musk.


That's 85,000 too many, and six years too long.

Musk wasn't a billionaire when he came here. And he came here under that visa program. Believe it or not there was a time when the country tried to enforce immigration laws.

 

[catstalking]

A true Christian is basically a hippy-communist, the Gospel is pretty clear with what Christ asked of his followers

What Paul, a hardcore conservative Jew, wrote in the Epistles is pure subversion of Christ's true message, and also pretty typical for Jewish writings in the Talmud

"Christ said to turn the other cheek? Wellllllll what he really meant was...."

European Christianity wasn't successful because of Christ, it was successful because it had the side effects of motivating the poor to not accept the status quo while retaining most of their other pagan traditions and beliefs

 

[Mutineer]

There is some abuse but most companies use the program as intended. Musk first came to the States on that visa. And the program only.allows 65,000 a year to come in and they have to have at least a bachelor's degree. Up to 20,000 more can come in if they have a master's. And the visa is for three years with a one time three year extension possible.

Assuming the above is accurate, here's a bigger problem:

The 85,000 a year number does NOT mean that the total number of visas cannot exceed that number at any given time.

If my interpretation is correct, that adds up to a potential for 510,000 work visas to be present in this country at any given time!

Do you really believe that this won't be abused as far as it can be taken?

That's 510,000 college educated, mom's basement dwelling citizens who are asking if you "want to Super Size" when you visit a fast food restaurant.

 

[Mutineer]

Musk wasn't a billionaire when he came here. And he came here under that visa program. Believe it or not there was a time when the country tried to enforce immigration laws.

You're picking nits.

You don't have to be a billionaire to get into this country legally when dirt-poor will suffice.

Musk was born smart, wealthy, and connected.

Not difficult to imagine that one way or another, he was getting in.

 

[vantexan]

You're picking nits.

You don't have to be a billionaire to get into this country legally when dirt-poor will suffice.

Musk was born smart, wealthy, and connected.

Not difficult to imagine that one way or another, he was getting in.

I'm not picking nothing. He got in on that visa program.

 

[oldngray]

I'm not picking nothing. He got in on that visa program.

So he was here legally?

 

[vantexan]

Assuming the above is accurate, here's a bigger problem:

The 85,000 a year number does NOT mean that the total number of visas cannot exceed that number at any given time.

If my interpretation is correct, that adds up to a potential for 510,000 work visas to be present in this country at any given time!

Do you really believe that this won't be abused as far as it can be taken?

That's 510,000 college educated, mom's basement dwelling citizens who are asking if you "want to Super Size" when you visit a fast food restaurant.

You're assuming that once in those in the program will be doing other jobs besides what they're brought in for. Those of you who are against the program cast it in the worst possible light to bolster your argument. I've already said it, if the program is being abused by a company then fine them and send their applicants back. If it's being used to keep qualified Americans from good jobs in favor of much lower paid foreigners then shut it down. If however there's a shortage in skills needed and a company needs to find qualified workers from outside the U.S. then the visa program needs to be there to help our companies.

 

[vantexan]

So he was here legally?

Not sure what your point is?

 

[vantexan]

A true Christian is basically a hippy-communist, the Gospel is pretty clear with what Christ asked of his followers

What Paul, a hardcore conservative Jew, wrote in the Epistles is pure subversion of Christ's true message, and also pretty typical for Jewish writings in the Talmud

"Christ said to turn the other cheek? Wellllllll what he really meant was...."

European Christianity wasn't successful because of Christ, it was successful because it had the side effects of motivating the poor to not accept the status quo while retaining most of their other pagan traditions and beliefs

Good Lord you're even extending your hatred of Jews to Christianity.

 

[Pullman Brown]

Musk and Ramaswamy have come out saying we need to import more H-1b visa immigrants to do jobs, as American culture doesn’t produce as good of workers.

MAGA supporters like Laura Loomer and Steve Bannon have come out attacking Musk and Ramaswamy, saying they are doing this to get cheap labor, and H-1b immigrants are “indentured servants” who will be deported if they lose their job, so they work for less and put up with more. They say this is not “America first”. Musk has since taken away their verifications on Twitter after speaking out against him.

At the heart of these issues is : What is a nation? What is an American? Is it a propositional nation, that is held together by a Lockean understanding of natural rights- life liberty, and happiness- a universal abstract tabula rasa understanding of human nature not socially constrained by anything but whatever the mass glob of humanity desires or the Edmund Burke understanding of a nation that centers its nation on tradition, shared ethics and religion etc.. We are at a fork in the road and immigration has destroyed our nation period.

Let me break down the key differences in political and philosophical thought between John Locke and Edmund Burke:

Locke (1632-1704) represents classical liberalism and rationalist Enlightenment thinking. His core ideas include:
- Natural rights exist prior to government (life, liberty, property)
- Government's legitimacy comes from the consent of the governed through a social contract
- Revolution is justified when government violates natural rights
- Reason and individual judgment should guide political decisions
- Human beings are born as blank slates ("tabula rasa") and shaped by experience
- Progress comes through rational reform based on universal principles

Burke (1729-1797) represents classical conservatism and skepticism of pure rationalism. His key ideas include:
- Society is an organic, evolved institution built on accumulated wisdom
- Change should be gradual and respect existing traditions and institutions
- Abstract rationalism is dangerous when applied to complex social systems
- Rights come from history and tradition, not abstract natural law
- Human nature is limited and flawed; we need societal constraints
- Knowledge is found in collective experience more than individual reason

A concrete example helps illustrate their differences: During the French Revolution, Burke strongly opposed it as dangerous radical change based on abstract rights, while Locke's ideas about natural rights and justified revolution helped inspire it.

The key philosophical tension between them is whether political wisdom comes primarily from universal reason and natural rights (Locke) or from tradition, history and organic social development (Burke). This remains a fundamental divide in political philosophy today.

Claude

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Elon is a punk ass bitch. And as far as Indian men go, they can suck my hairy ballsack, little pussyy s.

Rogaine?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Rogaine?

Settle down

 

[oldngray]

Rogaine?

 

[Mutineer]

You're assuming that once in those in the program will be doing other jobs besides what they're brought in for. Those of you who are against the program cast it in the worst possible light to bolster your argument. I've already said it, if the program is being abused by a company then fine them and send their applicants back. If it's being used to keep qualified Americans from good jobs in favor of much lower paid foreigners then shut it down. If however there's a shortage in skills needed and a company needs to find qualified workers from outside the U.S. then the visa program needs to be there to help our companies.

Ok. Fair enough.

But there's no doubt in my mind that the visa system was presented as a great idea. But was actually created for the sole purpose of being abused. The only fix for that is to abolish the whole rotten thing.

 

[MyTripisCut]

 

[catstalking]

Good Lord you're even extending your hatred of Jews to Christianity.

Should I love people who hate me?

 

[catstalking]

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Overhyped degenerate