Driverless cars a threat to your job?

[Red Devil]

Just need jumpseat runners initially.

If the runners aren’t back on car soon enough will the package car drive to the next stop anyway?

 

[muthatrucka]

That's why no one tests there, but autonomous vehicles are ALWAYS testing between El Paso and Phoenix. Automation won't solve every human use case in one effort, like today you're all fired, but it will steadily eat into the number of jobs that just vanish through attrition until the red circles retire over the next 50 years.

That’s cool, I don’t want my son to be a truck driver anyway.

 

[YourMissingCallTag]

Can you imagine an automated package car trying to follow ORION’s twisted logic? Half of our fleet would be in ditches and the other half would be involved in accidents…

 

[Over70irregs]

If the runners aren’t back on car soon enough will the package car drive to the next stop anyway?

Yes while runner is doing on route pickups and sales leads….

 

[Over70irregs]

Can you imagine an automated package car trying to follow ORION’s twisted logic? Half of our fleet would be in ditches and the other half would be involved in accidents…

AI

 

[Over70irregs]

I predict maybe in 20 years. Maybe.

Try 10 tops

 

[MilkTheBrownCow]

Never been a feeder driver but I imagine they would be easier to replace than a package car driver, because a package car driver has to do so much work other than just driving. From what Ive heard feeder drivers are mostly driving, which is why feeder drivers that Ive talked to go into becoming a feeder driver. When I was in school for electrical engineering, in 2010-2013, ai proving grounds (forget the exact name of the proving grounds) had AI vehicles go from Los Angeles to Las Vegas approximately 10 years before I was in school. I imagine there has been a lot of advancements since then. Probably government laws is going to be a big hurdler that AI will have to overcome to be a suitable replacement and will probably have to start out at smaller vehicles which hasn't happened yet. You'll probably start seeing other jobs go to AI before that like for example opticians, unfortunately I still have to go to one to get contact lenses because of the government when I should be able to go 2 minutes to a self service machine.

 

[Brownsocks]

Try 10 tops

Imagine a self-dfiving car smart enough to scan steering wheels and pick out of the way park positions. IMO it will take more than 10 years for it to be sophisticated enough to replace humans who can see the real world as the real world.
It's my understanding that self-driving really struggles with poorly marked roads, inclement weather and with identifying the difference between blowing leaves and a flock of birds.

Cruise cars cause traffic jam in San Francisco's North Beach neighborhood

A busy night in San Francisco’s North Beach neighborhood proved too much for Cruise cars on Friday.

www.nbcbayarea.com

 

[Brownisbrown]

I don't believe it will be possible to fully replace drivers even if vehicles become 99.99% risk free. I do think though, that in the future, the UPS driver will transition into more of a "maintenance" position as while although the vehicle drives autonomously, he can regain control or perform manual overrides to prevent AI error (Likely to be the case as well if they ever have to perform non-standard dropoff). Similar to modern-day pilots once on air. It will likely heavily affect pay in the future. Every systematic process requires at least 1 person to oversee the procedure.

 

[Brownsocks]

I don't believe it will be possible to fully replace drivers even if vehicles become 99.99% risk free. I do think though, that in the future, the UPS driver will transition into more of a "maintenance" position as while although the vehicle drives autonomously, he can regain control or perform manual overrides to prevent AI error (Likely to be the case as well if they ever have to perform non-standard dropoff). Similar to modern-day pilots once on air. It will likely heavily affect pay in the future. Every systematic process requires at least 1 person to oversee the procedure.

Exactly. We also have an extra layer of protection that a lot of companies don't have. #TeamsterStrong
Also, driverless technology is really expensive and UPS still has to do a really expensive hub retrofit for electric package cars and they are dragging their feet on that. We just got a ton of new gas burners.

 

[nWo]

I think they might be a threat to future generation feeder drivers. Current employees will have enough seniority to keep working

 

[Over70irregs]

All they need is a little bit to work to raise stock price. Attrition will handle the rest.

 

[Brownsocks]

All they need is a little bit to work to raise stock price. Attrition will handle the rest.

Attrition won't happen while increasing the level of FT employees by 7.5k.

 

[Brownsocks]

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[Over70irregs]

How does that play out, especially in a union shop? Fire all the drivers and replace with 18 year olds for half the pay? Just don't see it.

Shell game routes + Attrition. Feeders is first up…..

 

[UnionStrong]

Imagine a self-dfiving car smart enough to scan steering wheels and pick out of the way park positions. IMO it will take more than 10 years for it to be sophisticated enough to replace humans who can see the real world as the real world.
It's my understanding that self-driving really struggles with poorly marked roads, inclement weather and with identifying the difference between blowing leaves and a flock of birds.

Cruise cars cause traffic jam in San Francisco's North Beach neighborhood

A busy night in San Francisco’s North Beach neighborhood proved too much for Cruise cars on Friday.

www.nbcbayarea.com

Waymo is being used in Phoenix.

 

[Brownsocks]

Waymo is being used in Phoenix.

Isn't that the service with the human driver that takes over in adverse conditions?

 

[UnionStrong]

Isn't that the service with the human driver that takes over in adverse conditions?

From what I heard from someone who witnessed it, no driver in the car. It’s 225 miles of service area too. I live here and i didn’t know it existed. They stopped it a few years ago because a person on a bicycle got killed at night. And a driver was in it.

 

[Wally]

Unrealistic, too many accidents too much liability imo

One bad accident and politicians will be tripping over each other to ban driverless.

 

[UnionStrong]

One bad accident and politicians will be tripping over each other to ban driverless.

Maybe