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bbsam

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And for the millionth time, Trump has been reamed for months over a supposed Russian collusion scheme concerning an election, with little to show for it. Obama on the other hand DID collude with Putin concerning an election, and NOTHING happened to him, beyond the usual FOX News criticism. His role as President doesn't give him the right to turn a blind eye to one country invading another, especially if he's more concerned how it would affect him.
Actually being president, commander in chief, and the man who's name is in front of it (Obama's foreign policy) in fact does give him that right.

But since you brought it up, how has President Trump been addressing the issue of Ukraine and Russia? Does he understand yet that Russia did in fact invade Ukraine?
 

vantexan

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Actually being president, commander in chief, and the man who's name is in front of it (Obama's foreign policy) in fact does give him that right.

But since you brought it up, how has President Trump been addressing the issue of Ukraine and Russia? Does he understand yet that Russia did in fact invade Ukraine?
Heck no, that's part of the colluding. Trump's building towers in the Donbas.
 

Serf

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Were you in the States during Carter's administration? Runaway inflation, long gas lines, 55 mph speed limit, Iranian Hostage crisis. Heck even Michael Moore calls him "Debbie Downer." Or maybe you're pulling my leg!
Many accomplishments after leaving office. Carter Center, which among many accomplishments has almost eradicated the disease of Guinea Worm in Africa which had effected 3.5 million people. The Iran/Shah thing is bad. I was not in USA at the time. I think it's because I look at all other recent Presidents and genuinely question the intelligence level. He had faults. But I think he was far smarter than all modern Presidents.
 

vantexan

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Many accomplishments after leaving office. Carter Center, which among many accomplishments has almost eradicated the disease of Guinea Worm in Africa which had effected 3.5 million people. The Iran/Shah thing is bad. I was not in USA at the time. I think it's because I look at all other recent Presidents and genuinely question the intelligence level. He had faults. But I think he was far smarter than all modern Presidents.
Carter is often considered the worst President ever but one of the most successful after leaving office. He has done a lot of good.
 

bacha29

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And I bet if you asked him which he was most proud of, he would say hands down, the good he was able to do AFTER being president.
He publicly stated that fact. If Nixon did anything of lasting value and that was his success at getting Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter reconciled . Afterward the two were inseparable and Carter delivered Ford's eulogy and spoke about the fact that Gerald Ford was one of the last remaining true citizen presidents. As for the economy when Carter brought in Volcker to run the Fed Volcker told Carter that the measures he would have to take to rein in inflation would cost Carter a second term. Carter said , "do it" . As for the Iran crisis he was under intense pressure to launch a full scale invasion that candidate Reagan was yelling for. Instead went for a rescue which failed due to weather and logistics. After the election and I read the story myself Newsweek released an intelligence report which stated that the only way into Iran was to use airborne troops which are lightly armed. The Soviets would have immediately come to Iran's defense and combined with being nearly impossible supply problems the entire 82nd Airborne would have been completely wiped out in 38 days.
 

Meat

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Didn't Nixon push for single payer? Today's right isn't the same crowd either.

This is a prime example of how far to the right this country has drifted in the last 40 years. Within this political milieu, Nixon's policies would be more at home in a Green Party platform (i.e. politically unfeasible). Not only did he create the EPA (as Bacha pointed out) and OSHA, but he also proposed a corporate tax policy that would be considered ridiculously leftist in this era. It made me smirk every time I heard that guy from Fox (a real ladies man!) refer to Obama as "the radical left." Are his followers complete morons? Does the finance industry fund the electoral campaigns of "the radical left" lock stock and barrel? Oh well, I guess critical thinking is somewhat of a lost art for a certain segment of the US population.
 

vantexan

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You sound tired. I guess it's not surprising considering your marginal health and chain-restaurant diet. Perhaps you need a trip to the farmacia - all kinds of "ups" available over-the-counter down south.
Actually since arriving in Guadalajara I eat mostly home cooked meals. Eating out is problematic as I tend to get a very torn up stomach from the local bacteria. Was really bad a week ago. Spent two days in bed except to run to the restroom every hour or so. My very nice landlady made me herbal teas and her son the doctor wrote me prescriptions that she went to farmacia to fill. I've read that over time one acclimates to the local bugs but it's different for different people. Was really bad in the Yucatan for me. Ironic that I spent years planning a move here only to be done in by microbes. Leaving August 1st.
 

Meat

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Actually since arriving in Guadalajara I eat mostly home cooked meals. Eating out is problematic as I tend to get a very torn up stomach from the local bacteria. Was really bad a week ago. Spent two days in bed except to run to the restroom every hour or so. My very nice landlady made me herbal teas and her son the doctor wrote me prescriptions that she went to farmacia to fill. I've read that over time one acclimates to the local bugs but it's different for different people. Was really bad in the Yucatan for me. Ironic that I spent years planning a move here only to be done in by microbes. Leaving August 1st.

Actually, a family member of mine, who was living in the same area as yourself, suffered from the same affliction. In all seriousness, that :censored2: (no pun intended) is no fun - I hope you have fully recovered.
 

Oldfart

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And I bet if you asked him which he was most proud of, he would say hands down, the good he was able to do AFTER being president.
I bet if you asked most Americans, they would say they wish he was NEVER President. I know 52 hostages and their families wished he had stayed in Plains Ga. He took the Prime Interest rate to over 20%. I had family in the car business. You couldn't give a car away back then. People with 750 credit scores were still paying close to 18% on car loans. TOTAL failure on domestic policy. He had some success in foreign policy but Americans suffered big time under Carter.
 
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bbsam

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I bet if you asked most Americans, they would say they wish he was NEVER President. I know 52 hostages and their families wished he had stayed in Plains Ga. He took the Prime Interest rate to over 20%. I had family in the car business. You couldn't give a car away back then. People with 750 credit scores were still paying close to 18% on car loans. TOTAL failure on domestic policy. He had some success in foreign policy but Americans suffered big time under Carter.
I had a bank account making 14% interest. I loved it.
 

Meat

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I had a bank account making 14% interest. I loved it.

Probably exaggerating by 7 percent if it was a general savings account, but considering people who invest in a 401(k) should only expect a lifetime return of 5 percent, that was pretty good.
 

bbsam

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Probably exaggerating by 7 percent if it was a general savings account, but considering people who invest in a 401(k) should only expect a lifetime return of 5 percent, that was pretty good.
No I'm not. I remember it vividly because it was my first account ever and my grandfather explained interest to me.
 

vantexan

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Probably exaggerating by 7 percent if it was a general savings account, but considering people who invest in a 401(k) should only expect a lifetime return of 5 percent, that was pretty good.
Things were that crazy. I worked at a supermarket and my primary job when price hikes were at their most extreme was to relabel price tags. We were constantly raising prices. The benefit to homeowners was their pay was increasing but like my family they had bought homes when they cost less numerically. My parents built a home in '65 for about $16k. But didn't have it finished completely until they took out a second mortgage in mid 70's. Had it completely paid off in '84. My dad made $35k in '77, equivalent of $119k in 2010 when I checked it on gov't inflation calculator. Still questions why when I was making $40k with FedEx I wasn't doing extremely well.
 
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