Global warming
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newfie
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we're at a point where we are clinging to one island chain in the middle of the pacific as our ironclad proof.
you have a water level that can be dictated by any number of forces, that is constantly in motion and somehow we are allegedly supposed to determine that the water level has risen as a result of global warming only.
the anti climate hysteria forces have always felt that the climate issues are overstated. It was good to See Al Gore reappear as an example since he was the one who famously gave us the 10 year wind of doom in 2006.
A measurement of a force or process that is constantly in motion and constantly affected by multiple forces is the perfect tool for this carnival show.
in the end the climate alarmist have done this issue harm. there is no doubt that man can affect our planets climate if we don't make reasonable efforts to take care of it. But the alarmist who keep overstating the current affects of global warming a term they changed to climate change when the globe stopped warming has made many of us skeptics .
Sportello
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DriveInDriveOut
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BrownArmy
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Are you repeating someone else's garbage, or is this your own creation?
In either case, it's false.
Please.
bottomups
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I'm in the process of purchasing Kauai property about 25' above sea level. Hopefully my grandkids can then own ocean front property once the level rises at a bargain price.
this is from democracy now. Naomi Klein (a canadian and one of the most famous ones in my books) is speaking on the paris climate deal. and i didnt vote for trudeau because he supported pipelines and the TPP amongst other things.:
I mean, the deal is so weak, right? And the reason it is weak is because it doesn’t impose anything on anyone. And the people who made sure of that were the U.S. negotiators, who fought tooth and nail—and this is not under Trump, this is under Obama—but, you know, in large part because they had to bring the deal back to the U.S., and if it was a binding treaty, they would have had to get it ratified by a Republican-controlled House, and they knew that they couldn’t, right? So the U.S. fought the world, which wanted a legally binding treaty, and said, "Well, then you won’t have us involved."
So, what the deal actually is is really just a kind of patchwork of the best that every country could bring to the table. The U.S. brought Obama’s Clean Power Plan, a plan to accelerate the decommissioning of coal-fired power plants, new restrictions on new coal-fired power plants that would require that they sequester more carbon. It was a fraction of what the U.S. needed to do to do its share of the goal of the Paris accord, which is to keep warming below 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius. You know, then that deal was announced, I joked that the governments of the world came together and said, "We know it what we need to do, and we’re willing to do roughly half that." Right? Because if you add it up, what all the governments brought to the table, it didn’t lead to a trajectory that would keep warming below what they said they wanted to do, but it would lead to warming of double that.
But under Trump, they had already announced that weren’t even going to do that. So this whole debate about Paris was whether or not the U.S. was going to stay in the accord but treat it as if it wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on, which would have had, you know, a very insidious moral hazard for other governments, because then if you have a volunteer, kind of good-faith agreement and the largest economy in the world is treating it like a joke, which is what would have happened if Trump had stayed—they made that clear as soon as they said that they were rolling back the Clean Power Plan—then that would have encouraged other governments that were already starting to slip, like the government of Canada, under Trudeau—you know, went to Paris, made all kinds of wonderful speeches and then went home and approved two new tar sands pipelines and cheered when President Trump approved the Keystone XL pipeline. So that’s three new tar sands pipelines. You know—
I mean, the deal is so weak, right? And the reason it is weak is because it doesn’t impose anything on anyone. And the people who made sure of that were the U.S. negotiators, who fought tooth and nail—and this is not under Trump, this is under Obama—but, you know, in large part because they had to bring the deal back to the U.S., and if it was a binding treaty, they would have had to get it ratified by a Republican-controlled House, and they knew that they couldn’t, right? So the U.S. fought the world, which wanted a legally binding treaty, and said, "Well, then you won’t have us involved."
So, what the deal actually is is really just a kind of patchwork of the best that every country could bring to the table. The U.S. brought Obama’s Clean Power Plan, a plan to accelerate the decommissioning of coal-fired power plants, new restrictions on new coal-fired power plants that would require that they sequester more carbon. It was a fraction of what the U.S. needed to do to do its share of the goal of the Paris accord, which is to keep warming below 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius. You know, then that deal was announced, I joked that the governments of the world came together and said, "We know it what we need to do, and we’re willing to do roughly half that." Right? Because if you add it up, what all the governments brought to the table, it didn’t lead to a trajectory that would keep warming below what they said they wanted to do, but it would lead to warming of double that.
But under Trump, they had already announced that weren’t even going to do that. So this whole debate about Paris was whether or not the U.S. was going to stay in the accord but treat it as if it wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on, which would have had, you know, a very insidious moral hazard for other governments, because then if you have a volunteer, kind of good-faith agreement and the largest economy in the world is treating it like a joke, which is what would have happened if Trump had stayed—they made that clear as soon as they said that they were rolling back the Clean Power Plan—then that would have encouraged other governments that were already starting to slip, like the government of Canada, under Trudeau—you know, went to Paris, made all kinds of wonderful speeches and then went home and approved two new tar sands pipelines and cheered when President Trump approved the Keystone XL pipeline. So that’s three new tar sands pipelines. You know—
DriveInDriveOut
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Mylan Sells Asthma Treatments While It Quietly Invests In Coal
Mylan is aggressive when it comes to lowering its tax bill. It moved its headquarters overseas in 2015 and it paid a tax rate of 7.4 percent. Thanks to strategies like investing in coal, the company actually had an effective tax rate of negative 294 percent in 2016.
As the New Republic points out, there’s also another benefit to Mylan that comes from pumping a horrible pollutant into the air: It manufactures two different drugs that treat pulmonary problems. Over the years, science has found links between asthma and air pollution from coal-fueled power plants. But other studies have disagreed. Scientists do agree that air pollution exacerbates asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Hey, that’s just capitalism.
Mylan is aggressive when it comes to lowering its tax bill. It moved its headquarters overseas in 2015 and it paid a tax rate of 7.4 percent. Thanks to strategies like investing in coal, the company actually had an effective tax rate of negative 294 percent in 2016.
As the New Republic points out, there’s also another benefit to Mylan that comes from pumping a horrible pollutant into the air: It manufactures two different drugs that treat pulmonary problems. Over the years, science has found links between asthma and air pollution from coal-fueled power plants. But other studies have disagreed. Scientists do agree that air pollution exacerbates asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Hey, that’s just capitalism.
Catatonic
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Your ancestors descendants, if any survive, will no longer be Humans.
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Ancestors are those who came before us.
Catatonic
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I thought twice before deciding not to use the I word.
Catatonic
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Like I said before and I say it again, "Thanks!"
moreluck
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"i" word?....ignoramus?
The civil war in Syria was preceded in 2006 by the worst drought in 900 years, as well as an austerity program that weakened government support systems. Farmlands were transformed into arid dust bowls. Livestock perished. Food prices skyrocketed. Over 1.5 million desperate people from the countryside fled to urban areas, many packing themselves into the shantytowns and slums set up by refugees during the war in Iraq. And into the chaos walked Islamic State. The war, which has taken half a million lives, created 4.8 million refugees and internally displaced 7 million people in Syria. The refugee crisis that resulted in Europe is the worst since the end of World War II. The influx to Europe has empowered nationalist and protofascist movements and touched off a rise in hate crimes. Climate change is the unseen hand in unrest, social disintegration, chaos and war....
“In the long run, it won’t work,” he warned. “The process of state failure spreads and spreads. What we see in response is also a hardening of democratic regimes in the north. We’ve got xenophobic politics in the U.S. Southwest in response to a migration crisis [and that kind of politics also] is happening in Europe across the Mediterranean. There are all sorts of great humanitarian responses. But there’s also a very clear shift to the right. France has this state of emergency that’s still in effect. Right-wing politics are doing well all across Europe. One of the great dangers of state failure in the global south in the short term is the hardening and drift towards increasingly authoritarian, xenophobic, quasi-fascist type of politics in the global north and developing states.”
On one July night in 1977 the power went out in New York City. There were citywide riots. Arsonists started 1,037 fires. Looters smashed their way into 1,616 stores. There was over $300 million in damage. This Hobbesian nightmare will become normal in more and more parts of the globe as we traverse the sixth great mass extinction, brought on by the activity of human beings.
The greatest existential crisis of our time is to at once accept the tragic reality before us and find the courage to resist. It is to acknowledge that the world as we know it will become harsher and more difficult, that human suffering will expand, but that we can, if we fight back, perhaps reconfigure our lives and our society to mitigate the worst savagery, dramatically reduce our carbon footprint and save ourselves from complete annihilation. The power elites will do nothing to save us.
- chris hedges
“In the long run, it won’t work,” he warned. “The process of state failure spreads and spreads. What we see in response is also a hardening of democratic regimes in the north. We’ve got xenophobic politics in the U.S. Southwest in response to a migration crisis [and that kind of politics also] is happening in Europe across the Mediterranean. There are all sorts of great humanitarian responses. But there’s also a very clear shift to the right. France has this state of emergency that’s still in effect. Right-wing politics are doing well all across Europe. One of the great dangers of state failure in the global south in the short term is the hardening and drift towards increasingly authoritarian, xenophobic, quasi-fascist type of politics in the global north and developing states.”
On one July night in 1977 the power went out in New York City. There were citywide riots. Arsonists started 1,037 fires. Looters smashed their way into 1,616 stores. There was over $300 million in damage. This Hobbesian nightmare will become normal in more and more parts of the globe as we traverse the sixth great mass extinction, brought on by the activity of human beings.
The greatest existential crisis of our time is to at once accept the tragic reality before us and find the courage to resist. It is to acknowledge that the world as we know it will become harsher and more difficult, that human suffering will expand, but that we can, if we fight back, perhaps reconfigure our lives and our society to mitigate the worst savagery, dramatically reduce our carbon footprint and save ourselves from complete annihilation. The power elites will do nothing to save us.
- chris hedges
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