Overpaid Union Thug
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Why are you guys/gals still fussing about global warming? Haven't you all figured out it's nothing more than Liberal propaganda and money hungry scientist propaganda? LOL! 
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wkmac
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Now D,
If this was a situation of where the folks pulling the joke were "democrats" or "liberals" of your flavor and the victims where "republicans" or "conservatives" you'd be flaunting that stuff all over the place!
What's wrong, you can dish it out but can't take it?
Truth is, you could pull that deal about anywhere and the vast majority of people would fall for it. Jokes like that have been pulled before and a lot of Micheal Moore's movies have that kind of humorous kick to them. If Mike made a movie with all serious fact after fact, it's only show late night on the History Channel but Mike includes the humor moments mixed in with the facts to give the audience a light hearted break for one.
So now here comes Penn and Teller doing something in the same vein and you cry foul!
You need to pull up you big boy pants and be a man!
Tell Al we want his Nobel Prize back!
diesel96
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Do you have any big boy pants I can borrow just like the likes of the Libertian Duo of Penn and Teller burrowed from the original creator of the Dihydrogen monoxide hoax to not only profit from but to humiliate and embarrass people. Sorry to your sensitivity toward the critique of Penn and Teller. But I think I already admitted peoples weaknesses towards deceptive practices, or what you would call a "joke". I'm not defending Micheal Moore, but I believe he created his own original material reguardless of their authenticity. That was the point I was trying to make. So I'm calling a "foul tip",I still have another strike to knock it out of the ball park....Play Ball
wkmac
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Do you have any big boy pants I can borrow just like the likes of the Libertian Duo of Penn and Teller burrowed from the original creator of the Dihydrogen monoxide hoax to not only profit from but to humiliate and embarrass people. Sorry to your sensitivity toward the critique of Penn and Teller. But I think I already admitted peoples weaknesses towards deceptive practices, or what you would call a "joke". I'm not defending Micheal Moore, but I believe he created his own original material reguardless of their authenticity. That was the point I was trying to make. So I'm calling a "foul tip",I still have another strike to knock it out of the ball park....Play Ball
You just got upset over the fact these guys showed how the public at large can be taken so quickly without every taking a moment to consider the topics being discussed. And the fact that most of the folks done in were of your ilk! They allowed someone to define something and accept that definition based on their own reactions as to how it was all framed wthout first asking the most important question of all. What is DiHydrogen Monoxide? Just because the "chemical" sounded nasty, no need to ask what it is, just get rid of it.
Had this thing been somehow reversed and the subject been of getting one over on conservatives or "LIBERTARIANS" you'd be swinging from the rafters with joy and you're a DAMN liar if you say otherwise! Jones' Diebold link in another thread also picks a bit of humorous fun at certain elements and a bit to republicans in some case. Hell, it was funny. You enjoy when the joke is on republicans/conservatives/and even libertarians and a lot of them are a riot so again, pull up your big boy pants and stop acting the over emotional, illogical type.
Uh, you might go work out some more as I'm not sure how far you'll hit the ball with a plastic bat!
diesel96
Well-Known Member
You just got upset over the fact these guys showed how the public at large can be taken so quickly without every taking a moment to consider the topics being discussed.
Upset ?Naa
....Not my kind of smug humor.
And the fact that most of the folks done in were of your ilk!
I don't think me or my biker friends would fit in with that crowd.
They allowed someone to define something and accept that definition based on their own reactions as to how it was all framed wthout first asking the most important question of all. What is DiHydrogen Monoxide? Just because the "chemical" sounded nasty, no need to ask what it is, just get rid of it.
Agreed, but I wonder how many nays ended up on the editors floor.
Had this thing been somehow reversed and the subject been of getting one over on conservatives or "LIBERTARIANS" you'd be swinging from the rafters with joy and you're a DAMN liar if you say otherwise! Jones' Diebold link in another thread also picks a bit of humorous fun at certain elements and a bit to republicans in some case. Hell, it was funny. You enjoy when the joke is on republicans/conservatives/and even libertarians and a lot of them are a riot so again, pull up your big boy pants and stop acting the over emotional, illogical type.
DAMN.....Are the velcro strips on your "Depends" to tight under those big boy pants of yours?
For me, humor is all about the delivery. If you notice I like to share humorous items to the BC. Some political, some related to a thread. Don't take it to personal, I'm just not a big fan of the smug, debunking, you've been punked type of humor as displayed by the likes of Penn and Teller. My other problem with them notably not for what they “debunk” (which is questionable) but rather what glaring targets they ignore, such as 9/11( no I'm not a believer so relax people), both 2000 and 2004 elections, the Iraq invasion, Manifest Destiny , media coverage by a few huge corporations; corporate welfare….ect ect
They chose very easy targets, and it has become very fashionable lately with neo-con pundits and followers to attack “politically correct” subjects, generally relying on stereotyped imagery and hidden sleeve tactics to make their points.
IMO Penn and Teller are no better than Rush or O’reilly. But then, at least the title of their little program is honest: Bu!!!
As Henry David Thoreau said: "Shams and delusions are esteemed for soundest truths, while reality is fabulous."
Uh, you might go work out some more as I'm not sure how far you'll hit the ball with a plastic bat!
The playing field is level and reduced when you start throwing whiffle balls.
However my bat of chioce is the "Plasma Fusion" Rawlings "Liquidmetal" 31' 34' for my Sunday Morning Extra curricular activities.
Another Henry David Thoreau quote:
"In the long run men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high."
wkmac
Well-Known Member
Couple of guys I work with are into softball and they had a mag. of
equipment and is that bat one of those $300 dollar jobs?
I had no idea some of that stuff cost so much! What happened to the $20 Louisville slugger?Made me feel better when they slammed me 4 years ago for buying my daughter a $2k plus Gibson Les Paul guitar because for one that Les Paul has gone up in value and she's making money with it now!
$$$$$$ My 401k!
OK, back to the topic of the thread. There are those who wholly believe in Global Warming and it's cause being man made. There are others who completely disgard any notion of global warming at all. To me, there has been documented a rise in average temps and yes they are slight but that's just the nature of it. And this is not a new phenomenon either, it's happened before. Doesn't disprove because the increments are small or it's happened before. However, it doesn't prove the worse IMO either but it's not something we should just blindly ignore.
The beef is what is the exact cause and IMO I'm not convinced to pinpoint any exact cause as the culprit. I mean, melting ice in Iceland? Could it be temp. rise causing this as a result of CO2? Maybe but we now have to consider the recent find that volcanic magma flows have been discovered close to the surface under part of the Icelandic glacier and this could be causing some melting.
Now this doesn't greenlight our abuse of nature but it does make one cause to think that going back to living in caves is not necessarily needed either at this moment. There are those and some evidence to support IMO that there is some solar activity that could be factoring into this. But here's what really bothers me and where the so-called conservative movement gives itself a black eye even under the guise of entertainment.
You mentioned Rush and earlier this week going to work I was listening to my normal jazz radio when I decided to flip to AM to see what was on. Well I happen to hear Rush as he went off on Richard Branson who used one of his jets to test biofuel to see what results they might discover. Now I don't know all the specifics of the test, I just know of the fact that it was tested and to be honest it seems like a good idea and I applaud the effort. If we can fly jets on nothing but air I'm all for it even though the laws of physics say with that much mass it's impossible! But here's what Rush said.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_022508/content/01125106.guest.html
Rush went on to talk about the nature of coconut oil solidifying at room temp. and then the draconian measures of enviro-wackos of the left. Now Rush may have a point about coconut oil (I'm no coconut oil expert)and I'll be the first to agree about the draconian use of gov't by a variety of special interests on both sides but here's my beef. It's Richard Branson's airplane, it's his money, it's his arse on the line so where's the beef? Is it not possible that Sir Richard has developed a process where coconut oil won't solidify and in fact can work as a alternative fuel? What wrong with trying something outside the box? Geez Rush, what would you have said to the Wright Brothers? Or to bring it closer to home for you, would you have called Marconi a nutjob? But here's the kicker to me.
We have this situation in our world called global islamic terror and I'm more than happy to debate the roots of it and it's relationship with Pan Arabism, Pan Islamism and Anglo Empire via American proxy but it's a fact we have it. It's also a fact that some of the money we are paying for fuel is finding it's way into some of those hands and at the least, our oil consumer dollars are at least propping up societies that breed the fighter stock for these movements. That said, I would see any effort that can potentially lead us to use less of an oil product that benefits those cultures and instead maybe benefit other cultures not as violent prone (maybe they could teach us something for a change
) and at the same time be a positive environmentally speaking. Talk about win/win. I mean one of the chief worries of enviro laws is the effect on economics and lifestyle in America (I would concur)and if biofuel works, then what is the downside other than to creatures (both foreign and DOMESTIC) that truth be known, the vast majority of the public don't like anyway!I'll grant you that today we live in a society that is driven by "punking" or seeing how much they can get over on the other guy and it's not something I myself like either. Working nights I don't watch TV so on weekends I'm shocked to see commericals like the the one I saw the other day where a contestant comes on a show and is asked very personal questions to see if they will lie. The one I saw was a girl I think in front of her husband admitting for the purpose of getting more money that she would cheat with an old boyfriend to the point of leaving her husband. and we condemn Jerry Springer?
OK, that in itself should be no shocker but to plug that crap into our living rooms nightly, what the hell does it say about us? And we can't understand it when an Osama bin Laden says he doesn't want American culture in the Islamic world! Looking at that commerical I had to wonder if Osama didn't have a good point afterall.
What Penn and Teller did in basc human decency was wrong. No arguement there. But if you are gonna condemn the one, you gotta condemn it all and it does IMO need condemning. Both sides! In fact D, you can condemn it on true libertarian terms. The principle basis of libertarian philosophy is "commit no fraud." No exception that I know of that gives a pass when it comes to entertainment or humor purposes. You are always to the best of your ability be above board and I know Penn and Teller who are at best entertainers are first and foremeost entertainers so that should say much in itself about the video to begin with IMO. But we are a society more and more built on the shock value. I mean how much hard, boring data have I posted here for example and little response but then we can come here and call each other a few names and the board lights up like a Christmas tree. What does that say about us, D? Seems to tell me that if we don't like Penn and Teller we best not look in the mirror!
Ever noticed how about every issue get's politicized in our culture these days? I mean nothing is black and white anymore with total concensus. Hell, even Katrina where a freaking storm came ashore causing widespread damage and destruction and all we wanted to do was argue about who really caused it! The people I really felt sorry for was not so much the folks in New Orleans who had it horrible but the other folks hit equally if not worse as hard as that is to fathom but because they didn't live in New Orleans, it's almost as if they didn't exist at all. But in the meantime they lost everrything to and did they cry and complain because the gov't ignored them? Nope, they picked up and soldier on and in the case of one family I'm proud of the fact that my wife and I were able to buy them a car. No it wasn't the latest model off the lot but it was a good running car and I thank the dealer for taking a loss as he wanted to help as well. I didn't once tell this family that this is how you are gonna rebuild your life, you must do it all this way or no way at all. Hell for all I know they are card carrying socialist democrats. LOL! All I did was give them a hammer, some 2x4's and nails so to speak and they built their own life back and that was the idea to begin with. No middle man, no beraucracy to skim money off the top. No central command, no powerful central control saying do it this way or else. I helped give them the raw materials and they built the life best suited for them.
At UPS we all decry the massive micro managing from Glenlake and the lack that we can't be creative and innovative to the customers needs. You shall not depart the DIAD master plan in a sense! Glenlake sez it's a one size fits all world so the customer comes to our terms and not the other way around. Now that may be a bit overblown but there is a real point to that and my God how many UPSers scream bloody murder at that process? Yeah me too! How often I hear good UPSers, both management and hourly alike yell, "just give me the freedom at the local level to react to customer needs!"
"Just give me freedom at the local level!" Has a nice ring to it doesn't it? Funny, when I heard Rush and his rant, those words were the first thoughts that went through my head! And I'm sure to "dittoheads" they just can't believe I said and thought that. It's because they've yet to learn that Statism is not just a process for the so-called left! Public condemnation IMO of individual, private efforts of innovation is just as "WACKO" as an environmental law that sez human behavior root of evil! I'm wondering if folks like Rush were really in charge if they pass their own draconian laws so that we could protect Sir Richard from himself?
moreluck
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Just something to run by the global warming crowd.....from NOAA
UNITED STATES
Climate Summary
April 2008
The average temperature in April 2008 was 51.0 friend. This was -1.0 friend cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 29th coolest April in 114 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.
2.39 inches of precipitation fell in April. This was -0.04 inches less than the 1901-2000 average, the 54th driest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.01 inches per decade.
UNITED STATES
Climate Summary
April 2008
The average temperature in April 2008 was 51.0 friend. This was -1.0 friend cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 29th coolest April in 114 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.
2.39 inches of precipitation fell in April. This was -0.04 inches less than the 1901-2000 average, the 54th driest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.01 inches per decade.
Overpaid Union Thug
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The only global warming I know of only happens where ever Obama and Clinton have been blowing their hot air at everyone. And the liberals soak it up like a sponge. LOL! No wonder they all support this crap. LOL!
tourists24
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Everyone needs to just settle down.... dont worry, everything will come around again. 30 years ago, scientist swore we were under global cooling alert.... a couple of years ago was the start of warming.... now the catch phrase seems to be just "climate change".... not to fear.... we will be back to global cooling before you know it
Bad Gas!
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We have global warming if you ask the government payed scientist that will lose thier job if they don't say how bad the global warming is.....We don't have global warming if you ask the indepenent scientist who won't lose thier job if they report the truth.....YOU DECIDE!
Jones...
CONFLATE ...... meld or fuse into one entity. Gee, I thought it sounded dirty.
If you conflate too much you might conflagrate !!
I never thought of it that way
oldngray
nowhere special
You will attack the source of any article that refutes your global warming theories. You ignore the facts as usual of course.
upschuck
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Evidently, your convictions don't inhibit you from making good money in an industry that creates a lot of bad emissions that you rail against.
The facts are the report was put out by a group funded by Exxon Mobil. Why should I believe them as opposed to what the NOAA says?
Would believe a report on the effects of eating meat put out by PETA?
I'm retired, living off the dole. BTW, UPS is a leader in alternative energy sources in their industry. Thankfully the people who run the company are better informed than those who post here.
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